Spoilers DC TV Arrow/Flash Universe Crossover Discussion

[Turtletrekker]

If they had set up the attack on Earth 38, they would have to deal with both Supergirl and Superman.

 

[Christopher]

If they had set up the attack on Earth 38, they would have to deal with both Supergirl and Superman.

That's the thing, though. Earth-38 has Superman, Supergirl, and Martian Manhunter, but Earth-1 has a whole mess of heroes. So it's hard to say which one is riskier to attack.

By the way, I just found out from the Arrowverse Wiki that the voice of the Wellenreiter's (evil Waverider's) AI was Susanna Thompson, i.e. Moira Queen. So I guess Fuhrer Oliver programmed his ship's AI with his own mother's voice.

 

[Neroon]

I will be the only one to say this cause most here wont. But this is the worse cross over ive ever seen and im so sick of the pussafaction of all the males on these shows and how they turn a show about super hero's into a platform for gay agenda and male bashing. I dont not give a dam about any of their dam relationships, i watch the Arrow,Flash, Legends of Tomorrow for the super hero stories not to see Oliver boo hoo and the rest of the cause they are either single or got hurt. I mean WTF DC. I want strong male leads, i want less relationship bullshit and male bashing.
When Alex made that statement about how one night stands are a male thing. Im like what the fuck. Im so sick of CW shows just bashing men and make these shows about woman power.
Iris is awlful, Felicity telling Oliver to respect her wishes, no bitch how about you respect his?
Honestly i hate to rant but im just done with these CW shows and thank god Agents of Shield is comeing back on cause i cant takes these shows anymore.
To whom ive offended here, There are far better, more effective and less hostiim sorry. But im sick of the whole woman power bullshit on these shows anymore. No guy can be strong, they have to be made weak to make the women look good.

There are far better, less hostile, and more effective ways to make your point. This has warned you a warning for trolling. Comments to PM

 

[UssGlenn]

Taking them on in a group was riskier than taking them on individually. As we saw, the attack failed.

What I'm saying is that after the initial attack they would no longer be able to take the heroes on individually because all the heroes would know the nazis are there and thus team up.

 

[Christopher]

^And what I'm saying is that there are advantages and risks to both options. I'm not picking a fight, I'm just considering all the angles.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I had the opposite reaction. This was better than anything I've seen on Supergirl, Legends, or Arrow all season.

As far as Supergirl is concerned, "Midvale" was the best of that series' season, with characters given some chance to be more than "flavor" as in this weak, rushed, drama-free crossover.

 

[DigificWriter]

I tuned into the DCTV Podcast Network to hear the hosts of its Arrow, Supergirl, Flash, and Legends shows talk about and discuss the crossover, and everything was going great until it turned into a nonsensical whine-fest about how the shows shouldn't have used an actual comic book storyline involving Nazis as the basis for the crossover and how Oliver and Felicity "stole Barry and Iris' thunder", which turned me off so much that I turned off the podcast.

I get that people are entitled to feel however they want, but when opinions "cross the line" into ridiculousness, it's a bit hard to take anything that's being said seriously.

 

[USS Firefly]

The fight scènes weren't good, but my wife and I loved the crossovers.
And I liked the suit of evil supergirl, except for the SS

 

[dahj]

how Oliver and Felicity "stole Barry and Iris' thunder"

Well, they did.
That was definitely one of those tone-deaf, self-centered, "me me me" moments that they have an unfortunate habit of writing for Felicity. Barry and Iris are getting married, they've exchanged beautiful vows and are about to say "I do". This is the time when you're supposed to think "that's nice for them", and if you are thinking "I want that for myself" you should really use your inside voice and express that vocally later...

 

[Kirk Prime]

Well, we know Batman exists on Earth-1, right? Maybe he gave some to Oliver?

We know Bruce Wayne exists. We don't know if Batman does--yet. It has been strongly implied Batman is operating on Earth 38 though. By the way, Superman was invented in 1938--maybe that's why Supergirl's Earth is 38.

Anyway, let's say Batman exists on Earth 1. Does Superman? I would LOVE to see that, but if Superman hasn't debuted yet on Earth 1, then even if Batman exists on Earth 1, why would he have Kryptonite?

 

[Icemizer]

Felicity has no inside voice, she is not a nice person. Its always about what she wants. She named the company, she ran off on a mission on her own, she wanted to be married, then not and then did again. She is very much like her mother and although much smarter has all the same self centered traits. Its really why she does not like when her mother is around because then everyone pays attention to her and not poor Felicity.

 

[Christopher]

I thought the double wedding was kind of a sweet bonding moment. I mean, these two couples aren't strangers to each other. Oliver and Barry are best friends, and Felicity and Iris just spent three episodes bonding in the face of danger and growing closer as a result. So I don't see it as Felicity being selfish, I see it as Felicity and Oliver wanting to share this special moment with their good friends and comrades in danger. Sure, it was spur-of-the-moment, but no more so than Iris's "let's get married this instant" impulse two minutes earlier, or Barry's literal kidnapping of Diggle to be their officiant (dude, you couldn't have texted him to ask permission first?). That's just how these guys roll.

Besides, it's a trope that's been used in fiction before, going back centuries -- there's at least one or two Shakespeare comedies that end up with the main couple deciding to get married and the supporting couples chiming in "Hey, let's get hitched too!" It's not stealing their thunder, it's just dramatic shorthand to wrap everything up in one big bow. Many things that would be rude in real life are taken in stride by fictional characters for the sake of dramatic shorthand -- e.g. wacky neighbors barging into your home without knocking, or people hanging up the phone without saying "goodbye."

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

and how Oliver and Felicity "stole Barry and Iris' thunder", which turned me off so much that I turned off the podcast.

The podcast had a valid point because the Barry/Iris relationship has been THE relationship jewel of all DC-TV series, so the wedding was the culmination of fan interest, and in-series building. Oliver begging a self centered Felicity for her hand in marriage, only to come around in the last second was anti-climatic, and intrusive on what should have been a tender moment.

Well, they did.
That was definitely one of those tone-deaf, self-centered, "me me me" moments that they have an unfortunate habit of writing for Felicity. Barry and Iris are getting married, they've exchanged beautiful vows and are about to say "I do". This is the time when you're supposed to think "that's nice for them", and if you are thinking "I want that for myself" you should really use your inside voice and express that vocally later...

Couldn't have that, because the direction of Berlanti series is to have certain characters be self-centered and rude, and that's supposed to be (among other things) endearing. Judging from responses here and around social media, it was not.

 

[DigificWriter]

The podcast had a valid point

Not really, for the reasons outlined by Christopher.

The only reason this is even causing a fuss is because there's a segment of fandom that is irrationally prejudiced against Felicity and the "Olicity" relationship, and it's disappointing and frustrating when people I generally agree with let the conversation devolve into something driven purely by irrational and partisan character/'ship' hate.

 

[tomalak301]

You can have a bonding and supportive moment by just being there. What Felicity did was make the wedding all about her and I did think that was rude. You have a great moment with Barry and Iris and instead of being quiet and smiling, Felicity a had to insert herself where she should have been more supportive. Coupled that with her attitude at the reception in Supergirl and I lost a lot of respect for her.

 

[DigificWriter]

What Felicity did was make the wedding all about her

This is bunk.

 

[tomalak301]

This is bunk.

Well she did interrupt before Iris and Barry even said I Do so I don’t know which part you think is Bunk.

 

[Snaploud]

The Felicity "let's get married too" moment made me think of a much worse incident that I read about in an advice column:

Q. My husband’s best friend proposed to his girlfriend during our wedding ceremony: My husband and I started dating, got pregnant, had a child, moved in together, bought a house, and got a dog in that order. Our friends and family have asked us for years why we weren’t married yet. We always pushed it off to build better lives. We’ve done really well for ourselves and finally reached a point where we could afford a huge blowout wedding to celebrate our lives with everyone we know and love. My husband’s best friend, “John,” was the best man/officiant. The setting was beautiful, everyone seemed happy, our families were overjoyed. My mom may have used the phrase hallelujah a few dozen times. The entire atmosphere felt moving. So moving in fact that John stopped midceremony to propose to his longtime girlfriend, “Jane,” and reveal her pregnancy. I couldn’t even hear the vows my husband wrote or the rest of the ceremony over the noise of Jane’s happy sobs, her very surprised family who were also guests, and people seated nearby congratulating her. Even the videographer cut to her frequently during the ceremony, and you can’t hear anything over the chatter. When John gave his toast, he apologized for being caught up in the moment, and then proceeded to talk about he and Jane’s future with nary a mention of us. During the reception John and Jane became the primary focus of our guests. John even went out of his way to ask the band for a special dance for just him and Jane on the dance floor. I’ve never been an attention hog, and I wouldn’t even have minded if he’d proposed after the ceremony, but weeks later I am still seething. I am so shocked and angry that I keep asking myself if this is real life. My husband hasn’t spoken to John since the wedding, and our mutual friends think what he did was rude but that my husband should just get over it. My husband has joked that he’ll resume his friendship when John and Jane give him a $40,000 check for “their half of the wedding.” Do you think John’s behavior warrants the end of a long-term friendship, or are we angry over nothing?

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...boyfriend_keeps_naked_photos_of_his_exes.html

https://www.buzzfeed.com/ryanschock...n-the-craziest?utm_term=.xiNrrLem7#.qbZ22b0j5

 

[Romulan_spy]

Felicity should have just waited another minute or two for Barry and iris to say "I do" and kiss and then asked Diggle to marry her and Oliver. Interrupting Barry and Iris before they said "I do" was very rude.

 

[Christopher]

I wonder if Barry & Iris's "I do"s were a casualty of editing. Honestly, the last half of "Crisis" felt like it needed to be at least half an episode longer in order to do justice to everything in it.