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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Blathering Ginger Ghost said:
The Flash, now that one's a tossup for me and seems divisive with fans. I liked it up to the end of season 5 but after that it just started to suck and Cecile was one of the most annoying side characters, then they gave her powers, and a sound effect. Near the end she got a tight costume too... Yeah nup

Fans seem to hate Iris West but I didn't mind her
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I actually thought Iris was fine, but man the "Mirror Iris" saga was total trash. The Flash's biggest flaw was how terrible it was at Season/half season arc villains post Season 3, and all the stuff with the Mirror World was about where I finally stopped regularly watching the show. Well, that and because of the upporting cast starting to flee the ship at that point. Once we had no regular Wells and Cisco was out the door the show really hit the bottom. The fact that they thought that Chester and the reporter woman were good cast additions was just ridiculous, and what they did to Caitlyn/Killer Frost was so stupid it still boggles my mind.

JD said:
They're all on either Netflix or Max, but I can't remember where the cut off is. They originally had an exclusive deal for Netflix to stream the Arrowverse series, but once (HBO) Max started all the new shows went there instead while the shows already on Netflix stayed there. I think the cut off might have been Legends, but I don't have Max or Netflix right now to check.
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Max, in the US, has Batwoman and thats it for the Arrowverse. Naomi, Stargirl and Superman & Lois are all on Max and aired on the CW, but they're officially not Arrowverse shows. Everything else Arrowverse is on netflix (again, in the US).
 
Blathering Ginger Ghost said:
It's weird both of these Flash forums seem to have a ton of hate for Iris which I really don't understand.

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Love interests in Superhero shows tend to be really badly written, Iris was no exception. Especially since the show took the lazy way of with Barry doing the whole "I can't tell her the truth" thing instead of something genre-defying like...telling her and she's in on it from day one.
 
Anwar said:
Love interests in Superhero shows tend to be really badly written, Iris was no exception. Especially since the show took the lazy way of with Barry doing the whole "I can't tell her the truth" thing instead of something genre-defying like...telling her and she's in on it from day one.
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In later seasons Iris does find out Barry is The Flash
 
Anwar said:
Love interests in Superhero shows tend to be really badly written, Iris was no exception. Especially since the show took the lazy way of with Barry doing the whole "I can't tell her the truth" thing instead of something genre-defying like...telling her and she's in on it from day one.
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We are The Flash.

Gag.
 
The Realist said:
Lots of comics fans are incels and misogynists. Lois Lane gets a lot of hate too.
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nope. thanks for repeating propagandistic talking points attacking fans that have valid criticisms, though.

that is literally a made up statement, the latter part being even more wrong than the first.

but, you do you.
 
Mage said:
Wasn't that undone and she spend most of season 2 not knowing again? It's been ages since I saw the earlier seasons and I've never rewatched them.
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I thought they made her know near the end of season 2 and from then on she always knew.

Then season 5 and that almost infamous line "we are The Flash"
 
Blathering Ginger Ghost said:
I thought they made her know near the end of season 2 and from then on she always knew.

Then season 5 and that almost infamous line "we are The Flash"
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That's how I recall it. She knew at some point, but Barry did some shenanigans again and altered time or something.
And yup 'We are The FLash' was terrible writing.
 
How come they sacked Hartley Sawyer for tweets he made years before he was on the show yet Candice was kept on despite anti trans tweets while she was in the show?
 
The only transphobic tweets of hers I've seen are from long before The Flash premiered, I couldn't find any from her time on the show. Now, true, Sawyer's tweets were similarly bad jokes, but there are two other factors to consider.

1. The firing of Sawyer was done in response to how the rest of the cast felt about it and him. While this might be highly subjective, it could also mean that the rest of the cast felt his "jokes" were at least slightly more reflective of his personality than Patton's were of hers.
indeed, this twitter exchange between Patton and an anti-LGBTQ fan suggests very much that she, at the very least, grew out it and is more a trans ally than a genuine transphobe.

2. On a purely practical level, Patton was the female lead of the show, second only to Grant Gustin's Barry. Writing out Sawyer's Elongated Man was rather easy and without a huge impact on the overall show, writing out Iris would have changed the show dramatically.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
The only transphobic tweets of hers I've seen are from long before The Flash premiered, I couldn't find any from her time on the show. Now, true, Sawyer's tweets were similarly bad jokes, but there are two other factors to consider.

1. The firing of Sawyer was done in response to how the rest of the cast felt about it and him. While this might be highly subjective, it could also mean that the rest of the cast felt his "jokes" were at least slightly more reflective of his personality than Patton's were of hers.
indeed, this twitter exchange between Patton and an anti-LGBTQ fan suggests very much that she, at the very least, grew out it and is more a trans ally than a genuine transphobe.

2. On a purely practical level, Patton was the female lead of the show, second only to Grant Gustin's Barry. Writing out Sawyer's Elongated Man was rather easy and without a huge impact on the overall show, writing out Iris would have changed the show dramatically.
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Yeah that's fair enough. You can't really get rid of leads.
 
Aside from the question of whether Sawyer's past tweets warranted firing him, I never understood why they didn't just recast the Elongated Man. I mean, he was a shapeshifter. Just say his face got stuck in a new form, or that he had to change it when his identity got out, or something. Or just recast and ignore the change in-story, like Superman & Lois did with Jon Kent.
 
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