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I wasn't talking about you. "There is no ethical consumption phrase" is such a common statement that I'm only quoting you in the sense that if someone mentioned "Live long and prosper" and I did too in the same thread, I'm quoting them.

I'm literally the only person to use it in this 511 page thread (or, since I was curious, this entire message board, as confirmed by the search function) so it sure looks like you were talking about me.
 
Yes, but it's an incredibly common statement in the wider world. The exact phrasing. Google it.

You compared it to using live long and prosper in a star trek forum. It's not the equivalent. It's literally never been used in this forum. I accept that you weren't talking about me, can you accept that when you make a direct quote of a phrase used by soneone else to open their post a few messages before you, and it's the only use of that phrase in the history of a 24 year old message board, it sure as shit looks like you are talking about them?
 
I'd quibble that I'm understandably not going to check how often a common and well-known phrase has been used on this message board before referencing it. But I do take your overall point, which is a fair one. In any case, sorry I wasn't clearer. I was speaking to how the phrase gets used in general, not to you specifically.
 
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Sorry, I thought I addressed this point in my post, but I must have forgotten, I am still happy to support products with multiple people involved. I can feel OK supporting things like The Flash, since Miller isn't the only person benefitting from that support. That all pretty much just applies to single creator products like novels, I haven't bought any of Orson Scott Card's books since I found out what he's like, same goes for JK Rowling.

I am still happy to support products with multiple people involved.

No writer is a business / entity all his/her own--not by any stretch of the imagination, as most are merely part of the chain of a book's production, so others are intimately associated, from editors to the publishers, and if a client's behavior and/or beliefs are well known, yet the publisher continues to crank out the artist's work, one cannot so easily separate artist from others involved or directly responsible for the artist's continuing exposure / career.

It reminds me of some who have argued that the work of Jimmy Kimmel and Sarah Silverman--both known for wearing blackface--should not be summarily boycotted / cancelled, etc., because others are employed by whatever production they're associated with and should not receive the brunt of a boycott / cancellation, etc. (not that it will happen). Some of the same defenders come up short when challenged with the fact Kimmel and Silverman's unforgivable, racist acts were and are a matter a public record, and one can assume said acts are known to all who work with either person, yet the employees continue to collect checks. The same applies to those who have actively worked for pedophiles such as Woody Allen and Roman Polanski, as if they were unaware of decades-old accounts about their deviant interests. So where does guilt (or guilt by acceptance implied in knowing what grossly offensive act a co-worker committed) begin, or extend and again--assuming others know about the blackface incidents--should they be supported with the dollar simply because they (the other employees) did not commit the act?
 
OK fine, if the products only has one person's name on it, and my buying that product could be interpreted as me supporting that person, then I will not buy those products.
And I suppose you also have some kind of argument for why I need to stop being vegan and should watch horse racing? And to be clear this is an honest question, and I'm curious if you do have an argument, since you seem to have such a problem with the other choices I've made.
I have to fundamentally disagree about Miller's 'rehabilitation'. Not only did Miller not 'realize they have a problem and get help', they literally spent weeks (or was it months? it kind of blurred together) running around the country actively taunting law enforcement while they were wanted. By all appearances the only thing that changed that was the genuine possibility that their movie might not get released.

And given that the WB's response to all this insanity has been stonewall after stonewall, I don't have the slightest confidence that Miller is actually doing anything to work on anything at all beyond simply finally having learned to shut the hell up and let WB do the talking.

Even if I'm wrong, I still don't think a hypothetically rehabilitated Miller should ever be allowed to just move forward again. Starting a cult to groom children is a massively disturbing act not just because it happened but because Miller even thought of doing it in the first place, regardless of stress, drugs or mental issues. The fact that their mind went to that place at all means they should never be trusted with any kind of power or authority, period.

Also, just as significant, Miller isn't the only person involved here that absolutely deserves some major repercussions from all of this. WB's own behavior has been bizarre and their refusal to do literally anything earlier absolutely enabled Miller to keep doing this shit. The fact that they're clearly now pushing a soft pr campaign to spread the idea that Miller's behavior was just 'mistakes' related to 'stress' is outright disgusting as well, especially since their grand production of Ezra 'apologizing' never even admitted to what Miller actually did beyond 'alarming and upsetting people' and endangering the success of a movie.

Bottom line for me, if this movie is a massive hit, WB (and every other studio) comes away with the lesson that it literally doesn't matter what a person has done, if you think you can make money off them all you have to do is to ignore everything as long as humanly possible, toss out a generic excuse about their state of mind, working to be better, etc, and have a bunch of employees do interviews about their 'mistakes' and 'stress'. It would deeply undermine the entire concept of accountability in Hollywood.
That's a fair point, but I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt and as long Miller manages to keep out of trouble from now on, I'm going to trust that they really are getting help and cleaning up their act.
 
Experiment: hands up who researches the clothes they buy and only purchases goods that haven’t come out of a sweat shop which has probably exploited and killed hundreds or thousands?
 
Yeah, it really is a case of either being in your face or not so in your face.
A writer of a book, their name is RIGHT there for you to notice, you can't hide it. An actor's face is on the screen for you to notice for the duration of their movie or show, so you can constantly be disgusted by whatever they remind you of.

The further behind the camera/scenes someone gets, though, the easier it is to ignore. Human nature, out of sight, out of mind.
 
Experiment: hands up who researches the clothes they buy and only purchases goods that haven’t come out of a sweat shop which has probably exploited and killed hundreds or thousands?
I do often times check to see where my clothes are ade, but I will admit that it doesn't usually stop me from buying the item though. Mainly just because most of the stuff in the US or other countries where it wouldn't be made in a sweatshop is out of my price range.
If I had two items similar items and the US made one is slightly more expensive, I'll fork out the extra for the US one, but with things like jeans or shirts, some of the US made ones can be more than twice as much.
Oh and I also make a point of buying only cruetly free products whenever possible.
Just as an FYI if you see any of these bunnies on a product, it means it's cruelty free.
 
It’s being claimed that David Corenswet and Nicholas Hoult (recently in the running to play The Batman) are the top contenders to play Superman and Lex Luthor respectively, with Rachel Brosnahan and Emma Mackey among contenders to play Lois https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/superman-legacy-cast-james-gunn-1235486603/

Edit: it’s also being claimed that Hoult is in fact up for Superman, not Luthor https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1657427577693442048?s=46&t=4gRLv-uovddel5zbS4TQ9g
 
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I love Nicholas Hoult but I'm not sure I could see him in either role.

I'm very curious to see Rachel Brosnahan as Lois. She certainly has the sass down pat as seen in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
 
In the case of Corenswet - were they deliberately looking for someone with a slight resemblance to Cavill?
I think there is generally much less variance in the casting of Superman actors than there is for, let’s say, Batman or Spider-Man. While they’re not all the absolute spitting image of each other, I’d say Reeve, Routh, Welling and Cavill are all much more alike than Keaton, Kilmer, Clooney, Bale, Affleck or Pattinson.
 
I think it is less a resemblance to Cavil than it is that Corenswet has a general look that the public associates with Superman.

Yeah, that was my thought when I saw a picture of him: "No idea who he is, but he does look like Superman." I don't see any particular resemblance to Cavill beyond general square-jawedness. If anything, he reminds me slightly more of Matt Bomer, who was a runner-up for a Superman movie role and has voiced Superman in animation (among other DC roles).
 
Thing is, Batman and Spider-Man wear masks, Superman does not. His face is always visible, so the general public does have a general idea of what it should look like.
 
It’s being claimed that David Corenswet and Nicholas Hoult (recently in the running to play The Batman) are the top contenders to play Superman and Lex Luthor respectively, with Rachel Brosnahan and Emma Mackey among contenders to play Lois https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/superman-legacy-cast-james-gunn-1235486603/

Edit: it’s also being claimed that Hoult is in fact up for Superman, not Luthor https://twitter.com/krolljvar/status/1657427577693442048?s=46&t=4gRLv-uovddel5zbS4TQ9g

I love Nicholas Hoult but I'm not sure I could see him in either role.

I'm very curious to see Rachel Brosnahan as Lois. She certainly has the sass down pat as seen in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.
I like Nicholas Hoult, but I've got to agree with @The Nth Doctor.
I've never even heard of David Corenswet, but other than the bigger names who voiced him in the animated movies, and Tyler Hoechlin, I'd never heard of any of the Superman actors before they got the part.
Never watched The Marvelous Ms. Maisel, so now idea how appropriate she'd be for Lois.
 
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