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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Anwar said:
Marvel has a few Superman stand-ins, the main ones being Hyperion, Gladiator and the Sentry.

Of course, Hyperion is a villain, Gladiator always a minor character since him and the Imperial Guard were really just an in-joke and The Sentry was designed to be a total psychological wreck.

Frankly, the way the MCU made folks realize how cool Captain America could be shows that a Superman character can be played straight and be well received.
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Marvel has had numerous versions of Hyperion. The first one was a villain, the second was a hero from a parallel world. After that things get hazy. I think the first two might be dead and I'm not sure where the current one hails from.
 
Official synopsis for The Suicide Squad

https://www.slashfilm.com/the-suicide-squad-synopsis/

Welcome to hell—a.k.a. Belle Reve, the prison with the highest mortality rate in the US of A. Where the worst Super-Villains are kept and where they will do anything to get out—even join the super-secret, super-shady Task Force X. Today’s do-or-die assignment? Assemble a collection of cons, including Bloodsport, Peacemaker, Captain Boomerang, Ratcatcher 2, Savant, King Shark, Blackguard, Javelin and everyone’s favorite psycho, Harley Quinn. Then arm them heavily and drop them (literally) on the remote, enemy-infused island of Corto Maltese. Trekking through a jungle teeming with militant adversaries and guerrilla forces at every turn, the Squad is on a search-and destroy mission with only Colonel Rick Flag on the ground to make them behave…and Amanda Waller’s government techies in their ears, tracking their every movement. And as always, one wrong move and they’re dead (whether at the hands of their opponents, a teammate, or Waller herself). If anyone’s laying down bets, the smart money is against them—all of them.
 
DigificWriter said:
You can disagree all you want; your disagreement doesn't change the factual accuracy of my statement.
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There are people around here with far, far more knowledge and experience of Superman than you who completely disagree that Snyderman is a faithful interpretation of the character. (And to be fair, there are a few who agree with you as well.)

Your "facts" are not a factor here. It's all opinion, preference, and perception.
 
Enterprise is Great said:
Official synopsis for The Suicide Squad

https://www.slashfilm.com/the-suicide-squad-synopsis/

Welcome to hell—a.k.a. Belle Reve, the prison with the highest mortality rate in the US of A. Where the worst Super-Villains are kept and where they will do anything to get out—even join the super-secret, super-shady Task Force X. Today’s do-or-die assignment? Assemble a collection of cons, including Bloodsport, Peacemaker, Captain Boomerang, Ratcatcher 2, Savant, King Shark, Blackguard, Javelin and everyone’s favorite psycho, Harley Quinn. Then arm them heavily and drop them (literally) on the remote, enemy-infused island of Corto Maltese. Trekking through a jungle teeming with militant adversaries and guerrilla forces at every turn, the Squad is on a search-and destroy mission with only Colonel Rick Flag on the ground to make them behave…and Amanda Waller’s government techies in their ears, tracking their every movement. And as always, one wrong move and they’re dead (whether at the hands of their opponents, a teammate, or Waller herself). If anyone’s laying down bets, the smart money is against them—all of them.
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Interesting, an online search for the synopsis led me to a few websites that show some behind-the-scenes photos which purport to show the movie's antagonist - Starro the Conqueror.
 
Not someone I would expect to see in a Suicide Squad movie. I'm curious how Harley ends up back in Belle Reve. Are they going to have her get caught and sent back somewhere between Birds of Prey and The Suicide Squad or just have there without going into the how/why?
 
DigificWriter said:
The DCEU Superman is not a 'deconstruction' of anything, and is as classically representative of the character as depicted in the comics as any other live-action version has been, but with a nuance and realness that makes him relatable.
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Agreed. Te only people referring to the DCEU Superman as a "deconstruction" also assume (falsely) that Superman is that Daddy/camp counselor character that was an aberration well into his publishing history (to anyone who read the stories from the start). The DCEU's Superman is quite reminiscent of the challenges the character faced not only in his early years (as intended), but in stories published decades later, particularly after the creatively bankrupt late Golden - to Silver Age version.
 
DigificWriter said:
^ Why does she have to end up physically back in Belle Reve for Waller to (re)conscript her?
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I thought the whole idea behind the Suicide Squad was that they were always prisoners at Belle Reve?
Isn't the whole idea supposed to be that they join the Squad as a way to get their sentences reduced?
 
JD said:
I thought the whole idea behind the Suicide Squad was that they were always prisoners at Belle Reve?
Isn't the whole idea supposed to be that they join the Squad as a way to get their sentences reduced?
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That's the idea, yes, but I don't see why it should be absolutely necessary that it apply only to Belle Reve inmates, as opposed to those imprisoned elsewhere.
 
I guess not, but either way, I would expect all of the members, except possibly Flag, to at least be in prison somewhere, since they lose all of their motivation to go on missions if they aren't doing it for their some kind of reduced sentence or other deal.
 
Well, they could do it just to keep their heads from getting 'sploded. That would be enough motivation for me right there.
 
JD said:
I guess not, but either way, I would expect all of the members, except possibly Flag, to at least be in prison somewhere, since they lose all of their motivation to go on missions if they aren't doing it for their some kind of reduced sentence or other deal.
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I think that in a universe where Batman exists, it does not require any great effort to explain how Harley Quinn went from being out of prison to in prison again. It's the nature of Batman rogues to volley back and forth between the two conditions at the convenience of the narrative.
 
Because Harley is an escaped Belle Reve inmate, Waller could conceivably force her to rejoin the Suicide Squad even if she remains on the run.
 
I've been skeptical of Ray Fisher's complaints about Joss Whedon, partly due to lack of specifics, but now Charisma Carpenter has come out about some abusive, bullying behavior from Whedon when she was on Buffy:

https://twitter.com/AllCharisma/status/1359537746843365381

And she's been backed up by Amber Benson:

https://twitter.com/amber_benson/status/1359555694098190337

So now it seems that this has been a career-long practice, and I can't give Whedon the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Of course, many great creators have been utter cads, and more than a few filmmakers (like Alfred Hitchcock) have been abusive to the people working for them. It doesn't invalidate the worth of their creations or mean that we should stop enjoying them. But it is unacceptable behavior, and it's sad when people who tell stories about champions protecting the helpless turn out to have more in common with their villains than their heroes.
 
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I can only imagine the backlash Alfred Hitchcock and Stanley Kubrick would get if they'd been making movies today.
 
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