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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Kai "the spy" said:
Right, so now for the discussion here, as well: The Suicide Squad spin-off Peacemaker series starring John Cena lands on HBO Max.
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Eight episodes all to be written by James Gunn, production is scheduled to begin in early 2021.

Also, Zack Snyder will film new scenes for the Snyder Cut, after all. Affleck, Gadot and Cavill will all come back to film additional scenes, as well as *gasp* Ray Fisher!
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The Peacemaker announcement is awesome. More James Gunn involved Comic stuff is always good news.

The Snyder Cut stuff is stupid, and really a waste since it is not even going to be canon to any DC film going forward, but maybe WB has decided that they want to keep a good relationship with Snyder (which seems pointless, but whatever).
 
The Peacemaker is obscure only because he was never fully incorporated into the DCU when they gained the Charleton Comics characters. I'm not sure what happened but it seems like some characters from CC are not even owned by DC any longer--were E-Man, Thunderbolt, and Judo Master ever a part of the DC universe?

Oddly enough, at one point I had more Charleton Comics than DC or Marvel because they were on sale for some stupidly low price in bagged editions at a department store in Canada back in the seventies. My mother just saw all these bags of comics for a dollar each (or something) and brought them home one day.
 
While he wasn't used as much as Blue Beetle, Captain Atom and The Question, Peacemaker was used in DC Comics.

There was a Peacemaker miniseries in 1988, a serial in the 90s Showcase anthology book, as well as cameos in multi-hero-events like CoIE, Day of Judgment, Kingdom Come, 52, and a larger role in Grant Morrison's Multiversity.

He's also become a legacy hero, with the original Christopher Smith character sacrificing himself in a battle against Eclipso, and the title then going to an unnamed Peacemaker appearing as a villain in Justice League International, the new Peacemaker Mitchell Black becoming part of the L.A.W. team before being killed off in Infinite Crisis, and Christopher Smith then being brought back in the Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle book pre-Flashpoint.
 
theenglish said:
The Peacemaker is obscure only because he was never fully incorporated into the DCU when they gained the Charleton Comics characters.
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That's from a comics reader's perspective. I'm talking about the mass TV/movie audience's perspective. Many characters who are household names to comics fans were thoroughly obscure with the general public before movies made them famous, e.g. Doctor Strange, Black Panther, and Deadpool. Keep in mind that comics readership is typically in the tens of thousands, while viewership figures for major motion pictures are essentially the square of that, in the hundreds of millions.

My point is that it's strange for any movie character, regardless of prior origin, to be given a TV spinoff before the movie that introduces them to a mass audience is even released.
 
Well, obviously, WB liked Gunn's and Cena's work on The Suicide Squad, as well as Gunn's pitch for the series.

It is also notable, as this is now the second announced HBO Max series supplementing an upcoming movie (third, if the 3-part Aquaman animated series will be canon to the movies), and the Aquaman horror spin-off The Trench might very well also end up as an HBO Max original. This might be a strategy for HBO Max, possibly inspired by Disney+'s success with The Mandalorian and the highly anticipated MCU shows.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
Well, obviously, WB liked Gunn's and Cena's work on The Suicide Squad, as well as Gunn's pitch for the series.
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Even so, it's surprising that they didn't wait to see if the audience reacted well. I can't think of any other cases where a movie got a TV spinoff approved before the movie was even released. Okay, there's that Gotham PD series they're developing set in the world of Matt Reeves's The Batman, but that's Batman, a milieu that's spawned multiple successful series already.
 
theenglish said:
The Peacemaker is obscure only because he was never fully incorporated into the DCU when they gained the Charleton Comics characters. I'm not sure what happened but it seems like some characters from CC are not even owned by DC any longer--were E-Man, Thunderbolt, and Judo Master ever a part of the DC universe?
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Well, I remember that DC had a legacy Judo Master in Birds of Prey and Justice Society (a Japanese woman who was also the love interest for Damage before he died in Blackest Night). Looking online, the original (Charlton) Judo master was killed in Infinite Crisis #7. A second Judo master was created at DC, but he only made a few appearances then went into comic book limbo. Finally, Gail Simone created the female Judo Master in her Birds of Prey run, and that version would go on to be in current Justice Society of America book and was definitely the most well known version of the character post DC purchase.
 
Christopher said:
Even so, it's surprising that they didn't wait to see if the audience reacted well. I can't think of any other cases where a movie got a TV spinoff approved before the movie was even released. Okay, there's that Gotham PD series they're developing set in the world of Matt Reeves's The Batman, but that's Batman, a milieu that's spawned multiple successful series already.
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My recollection is that a spin-off from the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing movie (possibly called Transylvania?) was greenlit before the film came out. And unsurprisingly it was shelved after the film came out. Let’s hope this isn’t the case here.
 
Captaindemotion said:
My recollection is that a spin-off from the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing movie (possibly called Transylvania?) was greenlit before the film came out. And unsurprisingly it was shelved after the film came out. Let’s hope this isn’t the case here.
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It won't be the case here. Production is scheduled to start months before the movie is coming out.
 
Since my last post James Gunn tweeted that this started with HBO MAX going to him and asking which character in his movie would he like most to get their own series on their service. Peacemaker was his choice.

This is certainly unprecedented. Them wanting to start creating a spinoff before the film is even released. It shows a lot of confidence in James Gunn.
 
So I guess this will be the first TV series that’s officially part of the DCEU (to the extent that distinction is even meaningful anymore, after the Arrowverse’s “CoIE,” the plans for the Flash movie, competing versions of Justice League, etc.).
 
It's kind of funny that The Rock and John Cena once engaged in a multi-month feud that was predicated on The Rock leaving wrestling for Hollywood and now they're both going to be headlining their own projects set in the same fictional universe and as part of the same franchise.
 
Captaindemotion said:
My recollection is that a spin-off from the Hugh Jackman Van Helsing movie (possibly called Transylvania?) was greenlit before the film came out. And unsurprisingly it was shelved after the film came out. Let’s hope this isn’t the case here.
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Yessss, I remember reading about that in EW... they were going to keep using the village sets.
 
Dick Whitman said:
Since my last post James Gunn tweeted that this started with HBO MAX going to him and asking which character in his movie would he like most to get their own series on their service. Peacemaker was his choice.

This is certainly unprecedented. Them wanting to start creating a spinoff before the film is even released. It shows a lot of confidence in James Gunn.
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Guess I was right, part of HBO Max's / WB's new strategy to create DC theatrical blockbusters with tie-in HBO Max shows. Maybe we'll even get a Justice Society show out of Black Adam.
 
I forgot to mention that James Gunn said he will not reveal when the series takes place until the movie is out. Obviously to hide whether Peacemaker survives the movie or not. Could be a prequel or take place after.

This is a smart move on the part of WB and HBO. This is how you build a universe or rather multiverse. There are theatrical releases and HBO MAX and the CW. With connections between all of them

Doom Patrol and Titans are bound to get better exposure on HBO MAX than on DC Universe. This show which is spinning of the movies will add attention to everything else. Also with future spin offs.
 
I am not caught up on the CWverse - can someone explain the repercussions of Crisis? The multiverse was destroyed, but not really because Flash met movie Flash right? So there is a single TV universe, but still a multiverse? What universe do the DC Universe/HBO Max characters live in?
 
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