DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[Christopher]

Jason Momoa Corroborates Ray Fisher's Claims.

Okay, Momoa is not as easy to dismiss. He's an experienced actor with several movies and TV shows under his belt, he knows the business, and he has a career on the line, and if he says there is something to it, then there might actually be something to it.

On the one hand, all that seems valid. On the other hand, what these guys are saying is just so bizarre that I'm starting to wonder if this is all some extended prank. That stuff about a fake Frosty the Snowman movie sounds like they're joking with each other, and with us.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

Well, the story on Momoa as Frosty was out there.

 

[Christopher]

Well, the story on Momoa as Frosty was out there.

Sure, but part of the premise I'm imagining is that Warner Bros. is also in on the extended troll. They'd have to be, since it would be an incredibly self-destructive prank on the actors' part otherwise. It's just hard to look at Fisher's line about "selling out for a corncob pipe and a button nose" and believe it was delivered in deadly earnest. It feels like the part of the story where the listener begins to catch on that they're being toyed with.

 

[JD]

I'm not sure if that's the case, but the whole thing is still a bit weird.

 

[JD]

And now Fisher is saying that WB announced Ben Affleck's return as Batman early, as a PR stunt to distract from the stuff he set off around Justice League.
He really seems to be determined to destroy any potential future he could have had with WB and/or DC.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Even if something eventually comes out that completely validates him, at this point the way he's going about this now is going to make it incredible tough to care.

 

[Dick Whitman]

My gut reaction - the huge ego he has!

Admittedly I do not follow this stuff that closely but he is so full of himself to think that the Affleck announcement was timesto distract from him. That assumes that Ray Fisher is important. Affleck is a household name even to people who do not care about the movies he makes.

Ray Fisher’s claims do not seem to be getting much serious attention outside of hardcore fan circles. Who are going to consume all gossip related to their fandoms. Affleck was never going to change that.

He is clearly trying to catch the wave of the Release the Snyder Cut people and get their support on social media. But that is not going to give him what he wants. Which is hard to figure what he wants at all.

Only way he will get serious outside media attention is he he gives shocking details. Which never comes. He is just trying to embarrass WB and get cheers from his online fans... which will lead to little.

EDIT to add - with the pandemic and delayed releases and production it’s impossible to say what the right time for any movie announcements is. All the studios are just trying to keep audiences interests going while nothing is coming out. To think that was about him is absurd.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

It's also important to note that the panels for the DC Fandome were all pre-recorded well in advance, and WB didn't sit long on Affleck agreeing to do The Flash. To announce it at Fandome, they'd have had to do an additional recording, and since they still would want continuity with the rest of the Flash panel, they'd have had to get everybody to look just like they did during the initial recording (which is a lot of work, especially without professional make-up and lighting), or else record the whole panel all over again. On the other hand, giving the news out a few days before the event served to generate more excitement for the event.

 

[Tosk]

Ray Fisher’s claims do not seem to be getting much serious attention outside of hardcore fan circles.

I'll wager that's because he seems loathe to actually make any truly specific claims at all.

 

[JD]

And now a new story has come out which says that all of this started right after Fisher was only offered a cameo in The Flash.
So could all of this just be him having a temper tantrum over not getting a bigger role after Justice League?
I did kind of get the impression that when all of the stuff around Justice League and the DCEU started, Cyborg was planned to be a big part of it, but as it's gone on his role has gotten smaller and smaller.
I could see where Fisher might have gotten the impression this was going to be a big breakout role that was going to turn him into a household name, and that has not happened.

 

[Saul]

So could all of this just be him having a temper tantrum over not getting a bigger role after Justice League?

That's what Warner's media would like us to believe certainly or websites that want to report whatever they feel "might" be true.
Jason Momoa supports Fisher.

 

[Dick Whitman]

And now a new story has come out which says that all of this started right after Fisher was only offered a cameo in The Flash.
So could all of this just be him having a temper tantrum over not getting a bigger role after Justice League?
I did kind of get the impression that when all of the stuff around Justice League and the DCEU started, Cyborg was planned to be a big part of it, but as it's gone on his role has gotten smaller and smaller.
I could see where Fisher might have gotten the impression this was going to be a big breakout role that was going to turn him into a household name, and that has not happened.

This is what I have suspected all along. It’s likely what his irritation about another actor playing Victor Stone/ Cyborg was about. It’s not about audience confusion about different versions of the same character. Joivan Wade Is getting work and he is not. He was promised a solo movie that is likely never going. Even if he does get appearances in other movies, the tv version will get more character development. Plus fan devotion which leads to money at conventions ( if they comeback). All while Ray Fisher who was cast first is still waiting and nothing much is happening.

I can understand some real frustration. But I do not think he is handling this well at all. He is portraying himself as a victim. Which is going to hurt if he has no details that support that. There are very real examples of Black Actors and Actresses horribly treated by that business.

 

[EnderAKH]

Again, what does Fisher actually want to have happen at the end of this? Because I can see exactly two outcomes, either they say nothing happened, or "Yep, people were shitty on set. Can we move on now?" But nothing will really HAPPEN here. He seems to just want validation of his feelings.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Because he's with DC not Marvel, he has no endgame only infinite crises.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Again, what does Fisher actually want to have happen at the end of this? Because I can see exactly two outcomes, either they say nothing happened, or "Yep, people were shitty on set. Can we move on now?" But nothing will really HAPPEN here. He seems to just want validation of his feelings.

More Money? That Cyborg solo film green lighted???

I agree he is being foolish to use weak complaints as some kind of bargaining tact. He should be happy with how poorly Justice League did at the Box Office and mixed reactions from fans that he is getting anything. With everything going on in the world JL feels like it came out a long time ago. Flashpoint is going to have to bring new energy and excitement to those JL characters without solo movies scheduled. First of all the Flash himself. If it is not well received Ezra Miller won’t likely get another shot. Ray Fisher should Hope any appearance will lead people to want more or him. Along with his role in Synder’s JL cut. But that remains to be seen until that is actually out.

 

[kirk55555]

That's what Warner's media would like us to believe certainly or websites that want to report whatever they feel "might" be true.
Jason Momoa supports Fisher.

Momoa has always been a "Snyder-stan", which is odd at this point because the Aquaman film probably would have failed (or at least not done nearly as well as it did) if it hadn't had a change in tone and had stuck to Snyder's grim crap, meaning he probably wouldn't be in as good a position as he is right now. I don't know what happened on that set, but I kind of think that Momoa just likes Zach Snyder in general, and probably Fisher as well.

 

[The Realist]

Momoa has always been a "Snyder-stan", which is odd at this point because the Aquaman film probably would have failed (or at least not done nearly as well as it did) if it hadn't had a change in tone and had stuck to Snyder's grim crap, meaning he probably wouldn't be in as good a position as he is right now. I don't know what happened on that set, but I kind of think that Momoa just likes Zach Snyder in general, and probably Fisher as well.

The extent to which one is a "Snyder-stan" does seem to influence reaction to Fisher's claims. On another board I visit, whose members are basically a Snyder-worshiping cult (a couple of posters hereabouts would fit right in), they hang with breathless credulity on Fisher's every word -- but for them, it's clearly more about sticking it to Whedon and others involved in the theatrical Justice League than anything else.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

I think it's wrong to chalk up Momoa's comments to him liking Snyder and Fisher. I'm sure he does like them, shit, I can't remember anybody who actually met him to ever say a bad word about Snyder. About his movies, sure, but not about the man himself. By all accounts, he appears to be a very nice man.

And let's not forget, Fisher and Momoa said nothing about the differences in quality of the two versions. Fisher complained about the behaviour of Whedon, Berg and Johns towards him and other members of cast and crew. Now, that you could chalk up to him being inexperienced in the world of movies and Hollywood. But Momoa is not. He's been in movies for quite a while now, and he's been on a couple of TV shows, so he also knows what it's like to shoot on a tight schedule (as the JL re-shoots were). And while Fisher's accusations could be construed as a negotiation tactic from somebody with nothing to lose, Momoa has a lot to lose. He's Aquaman, and he's part of another potentially huge franchise for WB in Dune. Honestly, Momoa's comments change my view on this. I don't know what happened, and if what happened was actionable. It certainly doesn't help that Fisher is so fucking vague.

 

[The Borgified Corpse]

Honestly......
It's really cool how people in The Old Town With Big White Letters still feel 2021 is going to be their salvation..... Covid doesn't expire on 12/31/2020...... How about we just see what 01/01/2021 is like before anyone is hyping anyone on what movie will start filming when?

People get sick of losing time & money because of a virus that has a 99% survival rate.

Jason Momoa Corroborates Ray Fisher's Claims.

Okay, Momoa is not as easy to dismiss. He's an experienced actor with several movies and TV shows under his belt, he knows the business, and he has a career on the line, and if he says there is something to it, then there might actually be something to it.

And Momoa is just as vague as Fisher has been. Again, what could possibly be covered by an NDA that they aren't already violating just by talking about this at all?! It seems like they want this to be tried in the court of public opinion but they aren't giving us any specific charges to consider.

Sure, but part of the premise I'm imagining is that Warner Bros. is also in on the extended troll. They'd have to be, since it would be an incredibly self-destructive prank on the actors' part otherwise. It's just hard to look at Fisher's line about "selling out for a corncob pipe and a button nose" and believe it was delivered in deadly earnest. It feels like the part of the story where the listener begins to catch on that they're being toyed with.

If they are just trolling, I hope that Whedon, Berg, & Johns sue them into oblivion because I think that this is doing real harm to their reputations.

I don't think that they're trolling. I think that a lot of petty shit really did happen and they've decided to overreact to it for some reason.

The Frosty the Snowman thing is weird since I didn't hear about it at all until Fisher & Momoa mentioned it, so that was a very ineffectual distraction on Warner Bros.'s part, if that's indeed what this was. Frankly, I can't see too many people giving a shit about a Frosty the Snowman movie anyway, particularly when there's lots of juicy gossip and vague innuendo afoot.

 

[Christopher]

People get sick of losing time & money because of a virus that has a 99% survival rate.

It's actually only 97% in the US, and that's out of 330 million people. That means that if it weren't stopped until every American had been infected, ten million Americans would die. That's 25 times the American death toll in WWII. It would be the most horrific disaster in American history.

And incidentally, the economic impact to the country from losing 3% of its population would be vastly worse than the impact of being locked down for a few months until the plague is contained. And grieving the loss of loved ones is vastly worse than getting impatient and stir-crazy for a little while. This is not a time for people to think only of the short term.

If they are just trolling, I hope that Whedon, Berg, & Johns sue them into oblivion because I think that this is doing real harm to their reputations.

As I already said in the first two sentences of the passage you quoted, the premise of my conjecture is that the studio is in on the joke too. And I'm not saying I actually believe that; I'm just saying it's sounding so weird at this point that it would almost make more sense if it were some elaborate publicity stunt.