What a hypocrite that Ray Fisher
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What a hypocrite that Ray Fisher
He also retracts a previous statement he made about Whedons version saying Synder picked a good person to come in and clean up
https://www.superherohype.com/movie...s-support-for-joss-whedons-justice-league-cut[
Looks like he's cutting all ties to Whedon
https://www.superherohype.com/movie...s-support-for-joss-whedons-justice-league-cut[
Looks like he's cutting all ties to Whedon
Is this a common accusation with Whedon? From what little I know of the behind the scenes stuff with Buffy, Angel, and Firefly, I was under the impression that those casts at least, loved him.
There's no way to respond to the charge if he doesn't give specifics that can be checked.
Yeah, so far it's been a little smoke and no fire...so far...
Hard to judge the veracity of these latest allegations without more specific information. Some verification would help too. I mean while some of the cast may be playing the Hollywood game, I can't see Momoa being the sort to keep quiet if he'd gotten wind of this kind of thing.
Hard to judge the veracity of these latest allegations without more specific information. Some verification would help too. I mean while some of the cast may be playing the Hollywood game, I can't see Momoa being the sort to keep quiet if he'd gotten wind of this kind of thing.
That's a pretty vague statement and it is odd timing now. I could see the less experienced actors in the film staying quiet but I would be surprised if Gadot, Cavill and Momoa were keeping their mouths shut. In the past complaints about Wheadon have been specifically related to his handling of women in their on screen roles, or off screen in a couple of cases.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/joss-whedon-5-times-blew-feminist-credentials/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/tv/0/joss-whedon-5-times-blew-feminist-credentials/
I fail to see much professionalism in harshly attacking a coworker in a single tweet without any substantiation.
I assume he'll say more soon, but even if he does, this doesn't seem like a proper matter for a "sneak preview via Twitter!" strategy.
It’s interesting that Fisher has only one non-DCEU entry on his IMDb page since 2016. Could be that he concentrated on stage, to be fair, but I do wonder if he’s an embittered has-been, who’s letting fire because he doesn’t see any film work in the future, or if he’s telling the truth, because he’s liberated by not giving a crap.
Alternatively, I may be overthinking this.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3570321/filmotype/actor?ref_=m_nmfm_1
Alternatively, I may be overthinking this.
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm3570321/filmotype/actor?ref_=m_nmfm_1
Both scenarios occurred to me.
For the record I am not on any side in this. Never been that impressed by Zack Snyder’s films and most of his ideas for DC characters. But do have curiosity to see what else he filmed. Also I have never seen a full episode of any of Joss Whedon’s show nor been overtly impressed by his work in films.
But yes it’s curious that Ray Fisher is the only one to publicly say anything and it’s so vague. Cast by Snyder as Cyborg was his big break and has seen little benefit from it. Maybe he has more personal loyalty to him than the rest of the cast. Or maybe seeing that his career future is in doubt has no concerns about speaking the truth. Why now? Look at the world currently - lot of people in the entertainment business shining lights on previous held secrets of unpleasant and horrible work experiences. Maybe he was inspired to say something....
We will have to see what that specifically is though. Without details it could appear as just riding the victory of seeing the Snyder Cut approved to publicly humiliate people he did not like working with.
Everyone has stories of coworkers and bosses that they do not like. Hopefully he does follow up with details. Because if this is just using social media to embarrass old bosses -it will not help his career at all. Certainly with Warner Bros or any other studio. We will have to wait and see...
You only speak for yourself in typically blanketing manner, which is not a substitute for factual information.
Then, it is clear you're confused, as you were really watching episodes of Get Smart instead of Bond films, where continuity was always thin in the Connery-Dalton era.
Wrong. The TOS movies make numerous references to the other films; TWOK-TVH are obvious, while one of The Undiscovered Country's major plots is Kirk's continued hatred of the Klingons for Kruge's crewman murdering David in TSFS. There's also a direct nod to TOS with McCoy half chiding Kirk's unending romantic pursuits--one of his character traits established on the TV series.
Wrong again. That was not Blofeld in any official capacity (nor is he identified and/or named by Bond, which would be strange if he was, considering their long, dark history and the reason he has a grave to visit in the first place), thanks to the Kevin McClory legals issues. So, aside from one official continuity reference with Tracy, For Your Eyes Only was another no-strings-attached Bond film.
[quotr]You haven't given any examples. And never will.[/quote]
You are my evidence, as you have whined about my MCU plot criticisms in innumerable threads anyone can easily find about the very thing you claim I never provided. You fail again.
As in your post about Superman, you are the only one saying that. Meanwhile, the Nolan Bat-films stand far above 99% of any MCU offering, much as that burns you up.
There's no spinning your way out of this: your homophobia and hatred of DC movies led you to concoct this completely false story of how the Academy wanted to give Ledger the Oscar for Brokeback Mountain. The only reason you are saying this is your accusation that the Academy has a gay agenda it wanted to push by doing exactly what you're saying. You cannot hide from your own disgusting beliefs & words. You will never rewrite history to rob Ledger of his legitimately awarded performance as that DC character, the Joker--again, something the MCU will never match, even if it cranks out another 200 films.
As for The Winter Soldier, again, it was a tight, serious film that was free of the constant "Stark-ism" jokes anywhere he appeared in the MCU, or anything seen in the GOTG films, Ragnarok, Endgame and other MCU films. You are never going to alter TWS or the why its the far and away greatest MCU film. Its the only truly great MCU film, and part of that earned legacy is that its so fundamentally different from the rest of the MCU. You flooding the Kleenex warehouse with your tears will not change that fact.
Jon Berg responds to Fisher's claim
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/ray-fisher-joss-whedon-justice-league-1234695831/
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/ray-fisher-joss-whedon-justice-league-1234695831/
Nope, folks have no problem pointing out the character problems in Superman II anymore.
Connery being hell bent on Revenge against Blofeld in Diamonds are Forever says otherwise.
See, you're not even reading what I say anymore. I was talking about how the TOS movies DID reference each other.
Now you're just being obtuse. He visits his wife's grave, gets attacked by Blofeld and kills him to finally avenge her. And then there was how they reference Tracy in other movies too.
So you're still refusing to give evidence because there is none.
Hardly just me. The Dark Knight movies wouldn't be remembered half as much if not for Ledger dying.
Heck, Batman Begins was already forgotten until TDK came out. TDKR faded away pretty fast too. No one talks about anything but TDK.
It's not fake, they did.
Again you misread me. I'm saying they knew it would get too much backlash if they gave him the award for that role. So they agreed to hold off and randomly award his next big performance. Which turned out to be his last.
I mean, why else would they award him when the role was nothing but a bunch of serial killer cliches?
The MCU doesn't feel the need to exploit a dead man, so I'm glad for that.
The examples I gave say otherwise.
Only if you're ashamed of comics.
Even if Heath Ledger didn't die, they'd still be remembered as the movies that saved the Batman franchise after Batman & Robin killed it. Heath Ledger's death had absolutely no effect on the fact that The Dark Knight is a fucking amazing movie, and that Ledger easily gave one of the absolute best performances in any comic book movie ever.
Somebody dying isn't going to suddenly make people praise the movie, Brandon Lee died while filming The Crow and it still couldn't get above a 71 on Metacritic, and The Twilight Zone movie had several people die on an on set accident and it can't even get above a 44.
The idea that The Dark Knight isn't a good movie and people only say it is because Ledger died is absolutely ridiculous.
Because he gave an absolutely amazing performance? I think there's at least a decent chance that had a pretty significant part in him winning the Oscar.
Only because none of the major actors have died, I'm pretty sure if Robert Downey Jr., or Chris Evens, or Chris Hemsworth died, we'd see some "exploiting a dead man".
[QOUTE]Only if you're ashamed of comics.[/QUOTE]
I'm not ashamed of comics, and The Winter Soldier is one of my favorite MCU movies.
If he hadn't died, folks would be more willing to point out the movies' flaws. Like how it stuffs Rachel in the fridge, Joker being omnipotent, Dent's rushed character by the end, etc.
And Ledger's performance wasn't as good as Nicholsons'.
Ledger was an Academy Darling, that made the difference.
At best, he would've been nominated.
Yes, but they didn't.
It is. But it's not the absolute best one.
And? It's flawed. All movies are flawed. The Dark Knight is one movie were the high points outweigh the flaws by a huge margin, especially with Bruce wrestling with being Batman and Dent's own pursuit of justice twisted by his accident and Joker's own manipulations.
And? So, not being the best automatically makes one "ashamed of comics" for liking it?
That's some seriously weird rationalizations. Also, the phrase "ashamed of comics" is a BS phrase since people can both like comics and want to see something different in a film adaptation. It's an adaptation-there's going to be changes. It aren't that hard.
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone say it didn't have flaws.
Oh, wait, you're serious? All Jack Nicholson did was play himself in Joker makeup, Heath Ledger on the other hand, went through a complete transformation.
He might have been, but people still wouldn't have been afraid to criticize the rest of the movie if they didn't like it.
Or he could have still won.
Only because they aren't dead.
But that doesn't change the fact that it's one of my favorites, and I am as far from being ashamed of the comics as a person could get.[/QUOTE]