I would argue that STID is the worse offender. JJ, Orci, Kurtzman and Lindeof knew what they were going for by flying a ship into the heart of San Francisco. Along with promoting Khan as a terrorist in press interviews before the movie and the content of "topical" subjects inside the film (wars of choice, drone strikes/kill lists, suicide bombings). MOS scene is 10 minutes long and involves 4 different scenarios. Superman fighting the World Engine in the Indian Ocean, Lois/Hardy/Hamilton flying the plane Zod's ship, Black Zero pancakes Metropolis, Perry White and others try to escape. The STID scene is 3 minutes for a "genuine" 9/11 recreation. Followed by a 7 minute foot chase, fist fight and mad dash to undo Kirk's death. I find it equally amusing that Superman is flamed for not rescuing anyone, besides Lois in the assault on Metropolis. But the crew of the Enterprise get a pass for doing nothing to stop Khan from destroying San Francisco or helping the tens of thousands of people dead or dying because of Khan. What's true of both is that they flash forward and gloss over the aftermath by the end of the film. And it's not like you can say Stat Trek was any less visceral than Superman. Food for thought. As always.
Well that's the problem with these "fun" action movies. There is no way to address what we are seeing on screen in a "fun" way, so they just don't address it.
Yes, I bloody well can. I was there in the theater for both films, and only in MoS was I almost driven to flee from the theater. "Visceral" is subjective by definition, and you don't have any goddamn right to tell me that I did not feel what I felt.
I never stated what your feelings or beliefs are. Please refrain from attributing actions, words and ideas I have not expressed or pressed upon yourself or anyone else. There's no need to ascribe maliciousness to myself or my posts.
It's star trek. San Francisco gets periodically trashed in star trek. Something bad happens to Pike and something bad happens to San Francisco in every iteration of Trek
At worst you could say it had disaster porn ( and even then that's assuming motive on the part of the filmmaker ). But to say it's "just" disaster porn ( code for destruction ) is pure bullshit.
I did hear complaints. And it's my biggest problem with that film, as well as MOS and a lot of other modern films. My bigger problem is that one is set in a future where repairs can be made relatively easily. The other not so much. Both are disaster porn, to my view, and are not additive to the story.
What motivates Superman to move to the fight to the Fortress is that that's where the depower-ray is set up. The city fight was one that Superman had always planned to run away from to lure the villains into the depowering trap.
I liked it for what it was--and I think it would have been much better received if it hadn't been burdened by MoS and BvS before it.
Back to Superman Returns, the one really good thing (and even that only kind of) in it was Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor, he really channeled and seemed true to Hackman's character but a bit, believably, changed due to time passing and his experiences-but even with him, him ending up doing another real estate plot, kind of, felt really forced and obligatory.
Interesting, I thought Spacey's Luthor was one the bad things about SR, but I'm not a fan of Hackman's take either.
Eh, Spacey did a decent impression of Hackman's Luthor, but thats about it. Honestly, the biggest draw for me with Superman Returns is how well Routh did with what he got. Sure, it feels like he barely got any lines as either Superman or Clark, and he got no really good action scenes, but he did well in the situation he was put in and I still wish a good director and writer had made that movie, because I think Routh could have been a genuinely great Superman if he hadn't been saddled with a dull, dreary script. That's why I'm glad he's playing superman again, even if its just in a crossover on TV. The rest of Superman Returns cast ranged from ok to boring (James Marsden should have just stayed with X-Men, and SR's Louis was more boring and bland then Amy Adams) but Routh really had something.