Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by dodge, Aug 5, 2018.
^Yeah, the animated The Flashpoint Paradox and the Arrowverse version.
Ah, right on.
My ideal Flash movie is Flash vs Rogues film. Like a Spider-Man Sinister Six movie. Since none of the Flash's immediate villains can carry an entire movie on their own. They mostly all want to rob banks and pull heists. Can't do Reverse Flash starting out. Too many films are just hero fighting his evil twin.
Now that I've started reading the New 52 Flash series, I've become really disappointed how little the TV series did with The Rogues. Focusing a movie on them would be a nice way to differentiate it from the comics.
Manpul’s art and writing was great.
As for the show, what little they did with the Rogues is why I still consider season 1 the best season.
Seriously though. Flash vs Rogues for a feature film. Imagine how “sinister” the SFX fight scenes would be.
Give the people what they want! You can even have an alliteration joke.
Way to ruin the name scheme, Mick.
Huh, I never really thought of them that way.
And to take your joke literally for a moment, all the Rogues' different powers could lead to some pretty awesome action scenes, especially with a movie budget behind them.
It seemed to be the only way Shazam was produced.
Some (not meaning you) have this long-disproven fantasy that DC was the equivalent of Archie comics, when the source--the comics--have not seen any treatment like that (with most of its mainstream characters) since the mid-late 1960s. This desire for DC movies to embrace that silly direction also reads like people who thought the horrid Super Friends cartoons was the "true" DC, despite the fact the comics were the polar opposite of that all along. No one is going to take a DC film seriously if it comes off like the aforementioned Super Friends...or the George Reeves Adventures of Superman, West Batman or Carter Wonder Woman. Audiences do want to see how fantastic characters would look in a more realistic environment, but that cannot be achieved with a two hour tribute to quips and Saturday morning action.
^ Yeah, no. Shazam! was pure distilled delight.
Well, there's a cut in a sense, but not in another sense, if you follow me...
Supposedly it just lacks finished effects and score.
That's critics for you.
I enjoyed it quite a bit. But Man of Steel is still my favourite DCEU movie. There is ZERO reason why both cannot coexist in a shared universe nor ANY reason why either approach to superhero films is inherently illegitimate.
No one needs to like both, but neither approach has a lock on the “right way” to make such films.
It would be the coolest. The story basically writes itself. Gang of super powered thieves terrorize Central City and with their bizarre powers, they are too much for the police. Barry can't be everywhere at once, so they're a handful for him as well. Have Iris investigate where they came from and the experiment gone wrong that created them. Barry's forensic specialty helps him investigate crime scene to discern how their powers work.
Captain Cold - Absolute Zero temperatures
Heatwave - Heated plasma (similar to Bizarro's flame breath and the Human Torch's fire)
Golden Glider - Intangibility and Teleportation
Mirror Master - Moves and attacks from any reflective surface.
Weather Wizard - Storm powers. But like Storm from X-Men, he throws a lot of lightning bolts.
Pied Piper - Hyper sonic sound waves. Not fast enough to catch Barry, but when they do, they disrupt the electrical current he has and throws off his internal vibration.
You always seem to act like you can either be BvS style grimdark, or Super Friends, but that is not the case at all. The Marvel movies have perfected that middle ground, and now DC seems to have found their version of it with Aquaman, and while I haven't seen it yet, it sounds like Shazam has too, although possibly a little bit more on the Super Friends end of the spectrum than the BvS end.
Yeah right. Batman pauses because Superman's adoptive mother is also named Martha, but hey, it's not a 'silly cartoon plot' contrivence...oh, wait...
There are actually a couple of monsters that I imagine could be quite horrifying to younger children, as well as a few instances of Sivana and these monsters killing people in horrific ways. There's a reason SHAZAM! is PG-13 instead of PG. Also, story- and characterwise, the movie deals with family and loss of a parent in a very intelligent and mature way. So, yeah, it's not as grim and serious as BvS, but it's a far cry from Super Friends, as well.
No -- when he pauses he doesn't know that.
He's thinking, "Why is this guy fucking with me?"
The MCU did not find that middle ground with Thor turned into comic relief in films where the main plot demanded a far different response, and are also part of a larger film universe that is supposed to be serious, especially when Endgame was the culmination of the extremely dark Thanos arc--one that we are told had devastating effects on the universe, yet in the middle of that is the MCU equivalent of Otis the town drunk from The Andy Griffith Show.
Aquaman's tone cannot be grafted to other DC films, lest those other movies come off as disjointed with no single vision/energy/spirit, and that judgement is even more applicable to Shazam.
One moment (one that made sense for one suffering from a tragedy/trauma related to his mother) is not like entire films subverting characters into comedic idiots (e.g.,Thor in most of Ragnarok / fat, drunk Thor in Endgame). That's a complete change of a character who was once serious, and is now comic relief.
Well, to be fair, BvS turned Lex Luthor into The Joker for the majority of the film (The "Granny's Green Tea" bit would have made The Joker proud).
I'm talking about the MCU in general, and overall they've managed to find a good balance between the darker and lighter elements. Some movies do go more in one direction or the other, but overall as a franchise it's in a pretty good middle place.
Sure Thor might have ended up comic relief in Endgame, but the rest of the movie is definitely darker than a lot of the MCU movies have been. Overall Endgame is one of the best when it comes when it comes to balancing the lighter and darker moments.
If the movies are built from the ground up with this kind of tone in mind, then I don't see how that would be a problem. The only time they come off disjointed is when they've gone back in later to try to change the tone.
You say that like it's a bad thing. The changes made to Thor from Ragnarok on are the best thing to happen to the character yet. Endgame did take things to a temporary extreme with how he handled the post-Snape world, but they had already toned it back down to where it was before the Snap by the end of the movie.
Series writers take characters in the directions that prove to work, even if they weren't originally planned. Audiences responded better to Thor when he was funny, so that's what got played up subsequently. It wasn't arbitrary.
The MCU is actually kind of dark underneath all the jokes and snarkiness. This is a universe where a fighter pilot was ordered to fire a nuclear missile at NYC, and he didn't even hesitate. There was no beginning-of-WarGames moment. He was just like, "You got it!"
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