Must be the angle, but Reeves kind of looks like Hoechlin in that picture.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Coates was one of the best Lois Lanes ever committed to film. Too bad she was not paired with Kirk Alyn in the serials--that would have been so pitch perfect for the era, and one of the strongest Superman/Lois combinations to date.
But "not every" does not mean "none at all." There are many actors who excel in stage, screen, and voice -- including Dana Delany, who had a career on Broadway before she moved to Hollywood, and was the star of a hit live-action TV drama before she made a splash in animation as Lois Lane. So this is a bizarre argument to offer in any case, and particularly in this case.
Even aside from that, the fact that different kinds of acting are different doesn't justify ignoring or ghettoizing one, dismissing it as less important than the others. Asserting a difference in kind does not prove a difference in worth.
I like Delany, ever since I watched her on China Beach back in the day. I'm just saying you can't compare a voice performance with a live action performance. Two separate things. Clancy Brown was a great Luthor, but I'm not going to compare him with Gene Hackman or Michael Rosenbaum either favorably or unfavorably.
Thank you, thank you..
I was wracking my head watching clips of her and wondering why her voice sounded familiar.
I have to admit that I had a bit of a teenage crush for her. But the series was great and I remember watching it again in the late 90s and it held up.
Haha I don't blame you she was gorgeous...
Didn't she have a sister or such also an actor?
Think I first noticed Delany on an episode of Moonlighting back in the day. She played an ex-girlfriend of David's IIRC.
Moonlighting was a great series, but I don't remember Delany. I do remember my high school girlfriend taking me to see Die Hard. I had no clue what this movie was about and when we showed up at the movie, which was one of those old style "movies in a mall" theatres, I saw the poster that had Bruce Willis on it I started talking about how anyone was going to buy Bruce Willis as an action star saying things like "does Bruce Willis think he's Stallone now?"
Yes, they're different things, but it's naive to say they're separate. An actor uses everything in their experience in every role. Every job is a learning opportunity whose lessons can be applied to other jobs. I've always felt, for instance, that Morena Baccarin didn't become a good actor until she started doing animation roles. Her performance on Firefly was mediocre, but then she started doing Justice League and learned how to make better use of her voice under the guidance of the great voice director Andrea Romano, and I believe that's probably the reason her on-camera acting improved, because it taught her how to make better use of all the tools at her disposal.
If you're suggesting that voice acting is somehow less than on-camera acting, you have it backwards. It is easier for a voice actor to adapt to live action than it is for a live-action actor to adapt to voice work, because performing with your voice alone is a specialized skill that has to be learned. Look at the animated Star Trek and compare the flat, lifeless performances of Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley to the more expressive performances of voice-trained actors like Doohan and Nichols.
Yes, different kinds of acting are different, but it makes no sense to see difference as a reason for segregation or exclusion. On the contrary -- when different things combine and interact, it creates new possibilities and greater dynamism. Difference is not an excuse for conflict or hierarchy or exclusion. It's an opportunity to gain wider experience and enrich ourselves, whether as artists or as audience.
As I've already said, though, if we're talking about the best interpretation of a character, that's at least as much about the writing, directing, and overall storytelling as the acting. When I say I think Dana Delany's Lois was the best, that's as much about how she was written as how she was voiced. (Particularly by the late Hilary J. Bader in episodes like "A Little Piece of Home.") Not to mention her character design, which was so iconic that it's influenced subsequent depictions of Lois to carry forward her violet eyes and/or wardrobe. S:TAS's Lois also originated the trope of Lois nicknaming Clark "Smallville." It makes no sense to dismiss such an influential version of Lois just because you couldn't see the actor's face.
Actually, it is your opinion that is naive on this topic. Why don't you ask the Emmy's, Golden Globes, or Oscar Academy why they haven't nominated voice actors for roles? I'm not stating my opinion here--this is not a subject that is even up for debate. What do you want me to say? "Oh Christoper, says in his opinion they are both they same so Clancy Brown should be nominated for a Best Actor Emmy."?
There is, in fact, a Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Voice-Over Performance established in 1992, broadened in 2014 into separate categories for Character Voice-Over Performance and Narrator. The fact that the Oscars and Golden Globes have not yet established voice categories doesn't prove a damn thing; awards groups have their prejudices as much as any other subset of humanity. That's why awards categories often change over the years, as groups that were unfairly excluded in the past are finally acknowledged. Institutional bias does not equate to moral worth. The appeal to authority is one of the classic logical fallacies.
It's also bizarre that you're still treating "voice actors" as an entirely separate category of people from on-camera actors. That distinction hardly exists anymore. Look at the credits of any animated show or movie and you'll find countless names you recognize from live action. Looking over the 2023 Oscar nominees, I find a number of actors known for voice work -- Bradley Cooper (Rocket Racoon), Jeffrey Wright (the Watcher and multiple television voice roles), America Ferrera (Astrid in How to Train Your Dragon), Carey Mulligan (Laika's upcoming Wildwood among others), etc. Acting is acting. Yes, there are some actors who specialize in voice work, but there are countless actors who do both.
Why not? You're saying that like it's ridiculous, but it sounds perfectly valid to me. Brown is a 10-time nominee and 2-time winner of the BTVA People's Choice Voice Acting Award. Voice acting has been a huge part of his career over the past 30 years, and I'm sure he wouldn't share your opinion that it's inferior to his on-camera work, or he wouldn't do it so regularly and so superbly.
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Thank you. You are supporting my point, which is simply that "voice acting" and "screen acting" are two different categories of acting. I never said voice acting was inferior, just that it can't be compared one to one with live action actors. I am all for a voice acting award added to the Oscars or the Golden Globes.
I never said that.
I’ve always thought Biehn would’ve made a great Batman, albeit that he was more in the traditional square-jawed handsome leading man rather than the more offbeat type Burton wanted to cast.
If true, Burton made the far better choice.