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He's right but it's a dumb thing to say for him because he works for the studios making these bad movies and stars in them.
We all know that Meta is a bloodsucking, people manipulating, data collecting shitshow for example, but we'd still call a Meta employee dumb for saying it in public and would question if they want to keep their job.

You think that's the reasoning behind Rich comparing Levi to Kevin Sorbo and Gina Carano?
Besides, the studios and producers don't really care what the creatives say about them. Maybe if it was a personal attack, but Levi didn't give any names, he was speaking of the studios in general. All the studios care about is profit, and behaviour that creates bad PR and thus endangers profits. Just take a look around for how studio execs are usually portrayed in films, films that got made and distributed and whose directors, writers and stars went on to great careers. Look for statements by other filmstars and directors and writers on studio execs. Shitting on Hollywood studio execs is not endangering any profits.

It is a different thing with Meta, because Meta is a specific company controlled by a specific individual, an individual with a big ego.
 
Oh good Lord. I'm just flabbergasted by some of these reactions to the movie's Smallville setting. I never realized how important it was for many view "Superman: The Movie" as flawless or near flawless until now. Wow.

That's a needlessly condescending reply. Nobody claimed Superman: The Movie is flawless or near-flawless.

The most obvious flaw to Superman: The Movie is that it (like many superhero films to follow its lead in the decades to come) kind of falls apart in the final act. The conflict that Ghost Jor-El presents Superman with, that it is forbidden for him to change history to save Lois, is arbitrary and unmotivated; the idea that our hero must chose between his Human and Kryptonian identities works on a thematic level, but there's not plot device to rationalize it. And then, after Ghost Jor-El has warned him about dire consequences from changing the past to save Lois... nothing happens. There are no consequences.

(A similar problem is present in Superman II, when we are told Clark can never become a Kryptonian again after turning Human... and then he turns back with no explanation and no cost.)

Structurally, the villains are insufficiently weighty. Gene Hackman is of course compelling as a performer, but his Lex is essentially a generic James Bond-type villain motivated by blind ego. Ned Beatty's Otis is a problem -- I liked him a lot when I was a little kid, but he's the most overtly "little-kid" character and he's just too broadly-played and broadly-written. And nothing about Miss Teschmacher's motivations make sense. She's clearly not living in great wealth, she clearly doesn't have feelings for Lex, and she doesn't appear to be trapped in an abusive relationship.

Anyway, moving back to the Smallville scenes -- saying that the anachronisms are deliberate is not the same thing as saying that they are without flaw. I'd say the biggest, most obvious flaw to those scenes is that Martha Kent doesn't get nearly enough narrative attention; Jonathan and Marth are obviously both more archeytpes than they are fully-fleshed characters, but Martha's role is particularly two-dimensional.

But the idea that the anachronisms were unintentional just seems absurd to me. These people knew fundamental math. They knew someone born thirty years ago would have been in high school twelve years ago. This wasn't a mistake -- it was deliberate. Maybe it didn't work for you, but that doesn't mean they made the choice out of ignorance of basic math.
 
I'd say the biggest, most obvious flaw to those scenes is that Martha Kent doesn't get nearly enough narrative attention; Jonathan and Marth are obviously both more archeytpes than they are fully-fleshed characters...
I mean, the Kents are barely even in the movie. (Jonathan barely has five minutes of screen time before he drops.) In this instance, they're more set-up for Clark's story than anything else. I was always surprised at how affecting I found Jonathan's death considering how he was only introduced moments earlier. Kudos to Glenn Ford.

but Martha's role is particularly two-dimensional.
That's pretty good then. I've seen movies where a character is in the entire two hour runtime and still never gets above one-dimensional. :)
 
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I mean, the Kents are barely even in the movie. (Jonathan barely has five minutes of screen time before he drops.) In this instance, they're more set-up for Clark's story than anything else. I was always surprised at how affecting I found Jonathan's death considering how he was only introduced moments earlier. Kudos to Glenn Ford.

Oh, 100%. The Smallville scenes are as narratively efficient as possible, and these are definitely more archetypes than characters. It either works for you or it doesn't; I think it works with Jonathan precisely because Glenn Ford does so much to elevate the material -- but he also gets his own little mini-narrative arc where he basically goes from "Doubting Thomas" to "true believer," so he has more opportunity to elevate the material than Phyllis Thaxter does as Martha. She still gives a good performance, don't get me wrong -- but the material she's given is very much the "doting mother/loving wife" archetype and she doesn't get to push back on it or find greater specificity the way Ford does as Jonathan.
 
Phyllis Thaxter as Martha does deserve some credit for the wrenching emotion of Jonathan's death scene. Her horrified cry of, "JONATHAN!" upon spotting his crumpled body is enough to make me tear up immediately, no matter how many times I see it.

And FWIW, I do consider the film essentially flawless, so have at me, haters. :p None of Sci's carps above bother me one bit.
 
Phyllis Thaxter as Martha does deserve some credit for the wrenching emotion of Jonathan's death scene. Her horrified cry of, "JONATHAN!" upon spotting his crumpled body is enough to make me tear up immediately, no matter how many times I see it.

Oh yeah, she absolutely knocks it out of the park in that scene. Perfection.
 
Phyllis Thaxter as Martha does deserve some credit for the wrenching emotion of Jonathan's death scene. Her horrified cry of, "JONATHAN!" upon spotting his crumpled body is enough to make me tear up immediately, no matter how many times I see it.
I must agree about Thaxter's performance. Between her reaction to Jonathan's death, to her almost visibly becoming more frail by the minute as Clark departed, she added a final bit of powerful punctuation to the Smallville scene.

As much as I criticize The Adventures of Superman TV series, I have to admit Frances Morris' "Sarah Kent" (essentially Martha by another name) probably gave the most heartfelt performance of the entire series, as she added a ton of weighty emotion to the series' pilot, especially the scene where Clark decides to move to Metropolis, and eventually leaves. Morris' Sara Kent was a tragic version of the character, obviously heartbroken that her son was leaving, but realized that moment was unavoidable, the pain etched into her face.
 
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I was remembering that I had posted a link about that Superman II scene not even a year ago during a similar discussion. In addition to the link I posted about, I wanted to share the analysis on this page:

https://www.thegeektwins.com/2022/06/did-superman-kill-general-zod-in.html

At the time I had been convinced from an earlier conversation that the shooting script specifically stated that Zod had been killed, and it wasn't until later that I found the link to the original script that says otherwise.

I also thought some people might be interested in the original shooting script for Superman the Movie. When I read it I was blown away by what I felt was a much superior climax to the film. Whether you agree or not, it is a fun read.

https://www.supermanhomepage.com/movies/superman_I_shoot.txt
 
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James Gunn also said yesterday that Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle) will be a big part of the DCU going forward.

Yeah...
 
James Gunn also said yesterday that Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle) will be a big part of the DCU going forward.

Yeah...

Surely we all know by now they'll say whatever they think will serve them the best at that exact moment, and that their words mean exactly nothing.

Yeah, that feels like Gunn trying to hype people up to go see it and hopefully create enough box office. Which, ofcourse, makes total sense and I can't blame a studio for wanting to do that. But as much as I love Gunn for his work on GotG, I feel that right now with the DCU he'll say anything to keep people rooting for it. Including telling Gadot she's in for a WW3 while WBs claim no such movie has ever been on the plate since Gunn took over.
 
That's a needlessly condescending reply. Nobody claimed Superman: The Movie is flawless or near-flawless.

You would be surprised at the number of people - critics included - who have claimed this over the years. I'm not being condescending.


James Gunn also said yesterday that Jaime Reyes (Blue Beetle) will be a big part of the DCU going forward.

Yeah...

I have a friend who works for the Backlot Tour at Warner Bros. She told me that the studio would allow its staff to get a sneak preview of any of their upcoming movies. Usually, there would be a lot of talk about the movie after they had seen it. In fact, the staff has a tendency to get excited over movies that were not released by the studio. There had been a lot of talk about "Barbie", "Oppenheimer" and even the latest Indiana Jones and Mission: Impossible films. But no one among the staff has been discussing "Blue Beetle" since the sneak preview.
 
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I feel that right now with the DCU he'll say anything to keep people rooting for it. Including telling Gadot she's in for a WW3 while WBs claim no such movie has ever been on the plate since Gunn took over.
It feels like any recast of Gadot would be an automatic downgrade. Also she may have avoided whatever Cavill did that pissed these people off so much.
 
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