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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

theenglish said:
One of Byrne's greatest triumphs in retooling Superman post-crisis was to update the character of Lois for the modern age and to more fully develop Clark as a competent reporter and charming guy in his own right, making it believable for Lois to fall in love with him rather than Superman.
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Byrne gets beaten to this punch on this by Mandy Newell who writes a phenomenal (for the time) take on Lois and the rest of the planet in the two-part "Lois Lane" (1986). It's so close to the Byrne reboot that I have to wonder if it influenced him.

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Sci said:
Why? I mean, think about it. Donner was an extremely intelligent, accomplished director. He made multiple classic movies and hits. And he clearly used an entirely different artistic style for the Smallville scenes that was grounded in the filmmaking aesthetics of the 1950s for the 18-year-old Clark scenes, and of the 1940s for the Baby Clark scenes. And again, this was the late '70s -- it's not like they didn't know that someone turning 30 in 1978 was a child in the 1950s. Reeve was right there to tell them (in fact he didn't turn 30 until 1982). And the math lines up with Superman's line about Krypton exploding in 1948 if we take that to refer to when both his ship and the light from the explosion arrived on Earth.

ETA: Also, bear in mind that nothing about the writing of the Smallville scenes requires it to be the 1950s. The things that mark it as the 1950s are all matters that would be under the director's control -- the costumes, the cars used, the hairstyles, the music played on the car radio. It's the aesthetic choices of the director, not the writing, that evokes the 1950s, nothing in the actual script. End edit.

This wasn't just a careless line. This was deliberate anachronism to create a particular artistic effect.
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Agreed with all your posts on this subject, but if it's really such an issue for the more literal-minded, just assume that Smallville, tiny little middle-of-nowhere burg that it is, is trailing the rest of the country culturally by a decade. As for "Rock Around the Clock," it's not like older songs never get radio airplay beyond their original era.
JoeZhang said:
Byrne gets beaten to this punch on this by Mandy Newell who writes a phenomenal (for the time) take on Lois and the rest of the planet in the two-part "Lois Lane" (1986). It's so close to the Byrne reboot that I have to wonder if it influenced him.
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As much as I love Lois and wish she got the solo spotlight more often, I can't say I cared much for Newell's mini. It's incredibly didactic, really more of an extended PSA about child abuse and exploitation than a proper story. It's well-intentioned, and one can't argue with the seriousness of the subject matter, but as a narrative, I found it a slog.
 
The Realist said:
Agreed with all your posts on this subject, but if it's really such an issue for the more literal-minded, just assume that Smallville, tiny little middle-of-nowhere burg that it is, is trailing the rest of the country culturally by a decade. As for "Rock Around the Clock," it's not like older songs never get radio airplay beyond their original era.
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This is how I’ve often rationalised it but I do like @Sci ’s thinking
 
The Realist said:
Agreed with all your posts on this subject, but if it's really such an issue for the more literal-minded, just assume that Smallville, tiny little middle-of-nowhere burg that it is, is trailing the rest of the country culturally by a decade. As for "Rock Around the Clock," it's not like older songs never get radio airplay beyond their original era.
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Even as late as the 80s, there were small towns where it still felt kind of like the 50s. Not fully, you understand, but there was a vibe. It's why Twin Peaks rings true for me ( that part at least ).
 
Oh good Lord. I'm just flabbergasted by some of these reactions to the movie's Smallville setting. I never realized how important it was for many view "Superman: The Movie" as flawless or near flawless until now. Wow.



M'rk son of Mogh said:
It's Superman 3.
Beyond the junkyard scene, nobody puts more thought into this and the 4th movie than "Yup, they exist".
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"Superman 3" may have been crap (and I believe it was), but I also believe it got the decade for Clark's adolescence right and not "Superman: The Movie".
 
Rich Watson said:
Zachary Levi continues his quest to end his career. Given his views I expect he'll be popping up in Kevin Sorbo/Gina Carano movies soon. Maybe "Sound of Freedom 2" will want him?

https://deadline.com/2023/08/shazam-zachary-levi-calls-out-hollywood-garbage-content-1235498032/
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Yes, "Hollywood studios put out a lot of bad movies, and people should avoid going to see bad movies" is a very offensive and controversial opinion. :rolleyes:

I mean, what, the recent Gadot/Wonder Woman 3 mishap didn't give you enough negative energy to thrive on? Must you grasp at the weakest straw to feed your doom-and-gloom online persona? Because, seriously, the worst way I can see to interpret Levi's comments in this particular case (not talking about his previous controvercies) is that he has bad timing considering a lot of big Hollywood movies have underperformed this year.
 
All this because people in a small town were depicted as still owning reliable old cars and listening to songs that were massive enduring hits? Weird. ;)
 
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M'rk son of Mogh said:
Sean Connery is 12 years older than Harrison Ford and played his father. Real world ages don't matter in make believe land.
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They at least tried to make Connery look old enough to be Ford's Father, Kidder was supposed to be some veteran reporter with big awards to her name and Clark as some newbie who just was getting started. Lois SHOULD be the same age as him, if not a little older. I understand that's hard for some people to imagine a younger guy and "older" woman but still...

...And anyways, Amy Adams was 9 years older then Cavill.
 
Heck, there are places here in Washington State that while not "stuck" in any particular decade have a timeless feel about them.
 
Dee1891 said:
Oh good Lord. I'm just flabbergasted by some of these reactions to the movie's Smallville setting. I never realized how important it was for many view "Superman: The Movie" as flawless or near flawless until now. Wow.
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Why is it so important to you that Smallville in 1966 looks like a stereotypical representation of the 60s? There's no hard line that separates decades in looks and styles. It's 2023 and I didn't get rid of my car in 2020 because it was from the wrong decade, I listen to a mishmash of music from the 70s, 80s, 90s and early 2000s etc., and trends and fashions changed more slowly in the past, especially in rural areas.
There was a joke on How I met your Mother that the 80s didn't come to Canada until '93 and that's kinda true for many parts of the world.

Kai "the spy" said:
Yes, "Hollywood studios put out a lot of bad movies, and people should avoid going to see bad movies" is a very offensive and controversial opinion. :rolleyes:

I mean, what, the recent Gadot/Wonder Woman 3 mishap didn't give you enough negative energy to thrive on? Must you grasp at the weakest straw to feed your doom-and-gloom online persona? Because, seriously, the worst way I can see to interpret Levi's comments in this particular case (not talking about his previous controvercies) is that he has bad timing considering a lot of big Hollywood movies have underperformed this year.
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He's right but it's a dumb thing to say for him because he works for the studios making these bad movies and stars in them.
We all know that Meta is a bloodsucking, people manipulating, data collecting shitshow for example, but we'd still call a Meta employee dumb for saying it in public and would question if they want to keep their job.

Anwar said:
They at least tried to make Connery look old enough to be Ford's Father, Kidder was supposed to be some veteran reporter with big awards to her name and Clark as some newbie who just was getting started. Lois SHOULD be the same age as him, if not a little older. I understand that's hard for some people to imagine a younger guy and "older" woman but still...

...And anyways, Amy Adams was 9 years older than Cavill.
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Lois has often been cast older than Clark, Adams was older than Cavill, Hatcher was older than Cain, Kidder was older than Reeve and now Brosnahan is older than Corenswet.
And Lois was definitely supposed to be older than Clark in Superman The Movie, that is probably why they cut the little girl being Lois because someone said "Wait a moment, that doesn't make sense", something no one did when they decided to cast 22 year old Kate Bosworth as veteran reporter Lois Lane who apparently started her career when she was 12 years old.
 
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