The problem is, they reinvented him in a cool way as an undercover Government Operative posing as a Photographer and then did nothing but kill him. Imagine the kind of storylines we could've had between this version of Jimmy and Superman.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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The problem is, they reinvented him in a cool way as an undercover Government Operative posing as a Photographer and then did nothing but kill him. Imagine the kind of storylines we could've had between this version of Jimmy and Superman.
I didn't care about Jimmy Oleson getting killed off when BvS first came out. I still don't. Nor did I care that Superman may not have been portrayed in a traditional manner. I still don't. I wanted Superman to be portrayed as an individual who sometimes made mistakes. The same goes for any comic book character that is adapted for movies and TV. I feel as if I'm repeating myself and I'm probably am. One reason why I had enjoyed Snyder's work with DC movies so much is that I believe he had went outside of the sandbox and created comic book movies I found entertaining and more importantly, interesting.
Imagine Jimmy Olsen is one of your favourite characters, "Superman's Pal Jimmy Olsen", especially the more recent Fraction books, being fantastic reads.
And then he's killed for no reason in the movies immediately, never to be seen again.
Sure, you selfishly don't care about the character. But that doesn't mean the character isn't worth exploring for many others. Snyder's just plain mean.
In a similar way, I hate how the MCU hasn't given us another favourite of mine, Rick Jones. If they brought him in a movie just to immediately kill him, you BET I'd be pissed again. Though you'd probably just reply "I didn't care", which is your right. But it's a selfish one to think it's the only view out there.
Nothing is more odd to me than people claiming to know the 'heart of hearts' of someone they never met in real life.
We know nothing about how Snyder feels or thinks. He is a filmmaker, and as such an artist I suppose. And we ALL (myself included) judge art from our own point of views and there create an image of what the author thought and felt.
You and many with you did not enjoy Snyder's take on the Man Of Steel. Me, and many with me, did and still do. Neither of are right or wrong. Neither is Snyder right or wrong. It was just one of many interpretations of this character. No need to compare a living human being to a fictional bad guy just because you don't like what he did.
He has given many, many interviews in which has said exactly what he thinks and feels. Including his belief that anyone who thinks Superman wouldn't be a killer is delusional.
I "selfishly don't care"? Well . . . yeah. It's how I feel. I'm expected to share the feelings of others? Why? Are we the Borg or something? Aside from "Lois & Clark", I've never been a fan of Jimmy Olsen. Why should I be expected to harbor a particular opinion because many others share it? I never understood that kind of mentality. Jimmy’s death in BvS didn't bother me. I see no reason why I have to pretend otherwise.
Is Superman capable of being a killer? If his emotional buttons are pushed or if he had no choice but to kill . . . sure.
Well put.
Apparently so. Either that, or "stepping out of line" warrants a gag order.
Aside from "Lois & Clark", I've never been a fan of Jimmy Olsen. Why should I be expected to harbor a particular opinion because many others share it?[/quote]
Historically, mob mentalities regarding entertainment suppo rt indefensible beliefs about said entertainment--specifically that their allegedly jewel-encrusted version must be the "be all, end-all" of superhero adaptations, when it--most certainly--is not that for everyone. But those who cannot accept that "their" version cannot fit the taste and sensibilities of the modern world act as if changes are the ideological equivalent of some knife in the back of "all" fandom and the greater society beyond it.
Quite true, and for all of the hand-wringing about some "true" version of the character who never kills, some conveniently forget early Superman did take lives, not due to an accident, and not always in the capacity of protecting someone. Mature individuals understand that there are some situations beyond negotiation (you know, like real life), and we have witnessed this understanding with characters just as virtuous as Superman--namely MCU Captain America, who did not hesitate to kill true threats. .
Blind hatred, as we have witnessed a number of people aggressively argue that Snyder is the worst kind of human being, not knowing a thing about the man, yet this is all due to their sense of entitlement--one centering on forcing all others to view and accept superheroes as the Super Friends.
Indeed.
I really liked what Morrison did with Jimmy, in that he made Clark and Jimmy the same age with Lois a few years older. Jimmy actually became Clark's best pal.
That's just wrong. Snyder's Superman feels deeply for humanity--that was his central conflict with his parents in MoS and the cause of his angst in BvS. The whole point of those stories was that, despite his powers, he felt deeply that he should be able to do more to help us.
You keep going back to the early versions of characters like Superman, but you can't really compare modern movie or TV versions for numerous reasons.
First of all, the early versions of characters are always very different from what they end become, they're basically a rough draft and you really can't compare a rough draft to what we're getting over and you can't compare the rough draft to a version based of off over 80 years of history and 1000+ issues.
Hell in his early issues, Batman carried a gun, and hung dudes from the Batplane.
It's also not the 1930s anymore, and in the 80+ since Superman was created story telling sensibilities, and what people expect from a character like Superman has changed a lot.
And when we're dealing with adaptations, more often than not they are going to be taking the majority of their inspiration from the most popular, and well known versions of the character, and with Superman, that is not the early version.
I'm sorry, but that doesn't mean anything to me. I mean . . . Snyder wasn't really obligated to follow some kind of rule book in his comic book films. Hell, even the MCU didn't. I realize that you and many others didn't like what Snyder did. Okay. Fine. But there were many who did. Including myself. What can I say? Fan preference. Isn't that what it all comes down to in both art and entertainment?
Source please?
Andy Muschietti to direct the non-Patterson Batman movie. Gunn's new era is looking a lot like the old one.
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/...i-directing-batman-film-the-flash-1235646262/
https://variety.com/2023/film/news/...i-directing-batman-film-the-flash-1235646262/
So mediocre action scenes and poor cgi it is.
I just saw a TV spot for "The Flash" that literally just called it the "Best Batman movie ever".
Not a good thing for the title character and actor, at all.
Not a good thing for the title character and actor, at all.
Wait… what? Person who said that must have not seen any other Batman movies.
I think it's more the idea that they've totally embraced not marketing this as a Flash movie.
But you're right, there's some good competition for best Batman movie out there.
Nothing will ever top "Some days you just can't get rid of a bomb."
Which I personally half suspect the end of The Dark Knight Rises was unsuccessfully trying to homage!
I mean, this is the cover for the fancy Steelbook edition of the 4K release. If you didn't already know, whose movie would you think it was?
