Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by dahj, Aug 5, 2018.
It's finally happening. For real this time!
To me it felt like the wrong Flash
Yeah, pretty different...but i had to look it up to be sure.
By the way, 2 things i recently releaized with James Gunn....
1. His productions for both Marvel and DC both seem VERY "comic book-y"... almost anti-Snyder in style.
2. He is still in the middle of making his final stuff for Marvel -- so he has got to be super busy...and really wondering if he is able to focus to give DC what it needs.
Also, what exactly was Geoff Johns' role with DC movies? i know we won't know, maybe ever... but it seems like he was supposed the be DC's Kevin Feige, and indeed seemed best qualified for it, but their crazy strategy at the time made Snyder the domineering power... which i thought was kinda counter to what it was supposed to be, or i guess slanted. My understanding was the the DCFU was supposed to be director led for EACH movie... but the problem to me was that 3 of the movies were done by the same director, which kinda by default slanted the whole DCFU in that direction, which hurt the bottom line.
When i read some of Zaslav....i agree with him that Superman is basically a goldmine that should NOT need a whole ot of effort to be the BIGGEST superhero in the movies. But the way he speaks , it feels a whole lot like Sony, and how they were using SPiderman as a cash cow, but in their leadership, sabotaged it (i.e. driving out Sam Raimi, and by defauly, Tobey Maguire), such that the Andrew Garfield Piderman, at least to me, sure felt like they were just making it to keep the license rather than an actual love for the character (and the fans).
I fear that Zaslav could do the same thing. And indeed, by stopping Batgirl, has already sown the seeds of distrust by both creatives and fans, and doing the opposite of what SHOULD happen with DC properties.
Wasn't there already an official logo for the film? Well, I guess the marketing department had to do something about reminding people this was coming without simultaneously reminding people of Ezra Miller.
It's not unusual for a film's logo to be redesigned before its release. Here's a bit about the early versions of the Star Wars logo: https://www.the-jedi-council.com/evolstarwarslogo.html
And this film has been delayed for a really long time. It could be that the design team and execs who approved the former logo aren't even working for WB anymore.
There's a Dune Part 2 thread.
Depends on the contract, whether the carveout is just for Part 2 or all future Dune films made by Legendary. Most likely it will be the same as usually happens with a production company switches distributors, Sony will just distribute it instead of WB. It won't affect whether future films actually get made, Legendary has the full rights. Just might make the box set impossible if WB doesn't give up home distribution rights to the first two films.
The TV show is what's messy. Especially after having already gone through a couple showrunners.
If by “comic booky” you mean “comedies “ then yes, they are. His movies are nowhere near the comics I grew up on in tone. Claremont/Byrnes X-Men, Wolfman/Perez’ New Teen Titans, Simonson’s Thor, Levitz /Giffins Legion of Superheroes. All way more serious stuff with just a dab of humor in the team books by the team’s resident jokester.
Snyder’s stuff is closer to Kingdom Come/Golden Age/Dark Knight Returns levels of seriousness. When I see Snyder’s films those are the works that come to mind. But Snyder’s stuff was no less “comic booky ” to me. He was doing “flying god like alien with laser eyes” after all.
And others can say they're exactly like the comics they grew up with in tone.
The second Suicide Squad is absolutely rooted in the tonal blueprint established by Man of Steel
I disagree with this notion.
The second Suicide Squad movie is absolutely rooted in the tonal aesthetic established by Man of Steel; it just injects a more heightened and overt level of dark humor and 'camp' into the presentation.
It was? I never got the impression that "The Suiciide Squad" was rooted in the same tonal aesthetics established by "Man of Steel". Gunn's style and humor seemed to be the same as his "Guardians" movies, but more violent. And I thought some of his narrative beats had come straight from 2016's "Suicide Squad". Which probably explains why I wasn't that impressed by Gunn's movie. At times, it came off as unoriginal to me.
You’re making the same point I was. The OP made the statement that Gunn’s films seem “very comic booky” and I was pointing out that *my* experience was different. In the end, Gunn’s movies seem more “comic booky” to the OP than Snyder’s, but they’re no more “comic booky” to me than Snyder’s, just funnier.
Your perceptions are certainly unique, I'll give you that.
I see that now. By starting with the oppositional stance, it just seemed like you were disagreeing. My apologies!
So overall, agreed. It's just as comic booky as any movie since you can't pigeon hole the tone of a comic book because they can be anything and everything.
Its probably a bit pointless to even try to pin down a description as broad as 'comic booky' given the vast range that comic books span, but I will say that tonally and visually Gunn's movies are top shelf in terms of evoking the specific comic books they're based on. Though he does have a habit of taking significant liberties with a lot of individual characters.
Exactly. The tone of the comics I grew up on, or the level of "seriousness" was on par with "Balance of Terror". I can't speak for the tone of comics post Iron Man. The snarky, quippy stuff has been popular, and I don't know how much of that bled into comics.
Pretty much. I enjoyed Gunn's GotG even though many of the characters don't act the way I remember them. Starlord, Gamora, Rocket Racoon, Drax and Mantis range from slightly differently to pretty much a different character different. But I also figured their portrayal in the comics was probably different as I haven't read any of those characters since the 80's.
Yes--the creative teams you mentioned created some of the best of their titles' history and were very, very serious. Comic relief was minimal, as it needed to be in those titles.
Oh, yes--a mix of the heroes as legends larger than life (Golden Age) yet the human side breaks through / down the image of said legend (Kingdom Come).
I thought Golden Age did that as well as Kingdom Come, what with it's exploration of the jSA / All Star Squadron members lives in a post WW2 world. As far as stories go, I prefer Golden Age over Kingdom Come because I was, and still am, a bigger fan of the Earth Two heroes, (though Kingdom Come has the Alex Ross artwork. Would kill if Ross did a JSA mini-series, preferably a 12 issue one like "Justice") and Starman, my favorite comic series of all time, spun out of it.
How very 1980.
(DOH Ninja'd, but yeah I too was immediately reminded of The Flash Gordon logo from the Dino De Laurentiis film.)
First poster for "Blue Beetle"
Refresh my memory but isn't Blue Beetle portrayed as similar to Venom these days? Alien armor/enhancer bonded to a human and the story is about them co-existing as one?
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