DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

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  1. Saul

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    Wheadon. Good riddance to the likes of you.
     
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  2. JD

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    Yeah, it's pretty clear at this point that Whedon is just a complete asshole. Which is a shame since he's a great writer.
    Some of the stuff with Johns sounds to me like it was unintentional, although the whole exchange with the actress from Krypton is pretty bad.

    They've released the first trailer for the next animated DC movie, Batman: The Long Holloween Part 1.
     
  3. Christopher

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    Yeah, I'm not sure what to make of that. I mean, he has written comics that strove for inclusiveness, and he's been the strongest advocate for Cyborg as a major character and a Justice League member. And as the HR article pointed out, he's Lebanese-American and has been married to two women of color. So it's hard to believe he's intentionally racist. Though of course, a lot of racism is unintentional -- attitudes and preconceptions that we've absorbed from the culture and haven't recognized within ourselves. I've spent most of my life chipping away at the prejudices I was instilled with as a result of growing up white, and I no doubt still have a few to go.

    The problem, though, is that when you get powerful enough, fewer people are willing to tell you that you're wrong about anything, so you can get too used to getting your way and lose the ability to question yourself and correct your mistakes.

    My guess about the Krypton thing is that what Johns meant was that the characters were from Kryptonian culture rather than human culture, and thus African-American cultural practices wouldn't necessarily apply to them. But he phrased it poorly, at the very least, and probably didn't realize he was touching on a racially sensitive subject.
     
  4. TREK_GOD_1

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    Agreed, but it is still telling that only a few months ago, when the Fisher story broke (but Whedon's long history of despicable behavior was well known), some were still defending him as some sort of "good" guy, when he's never come within a universe of being anything considered good. Yes, good riddance to Whedon, and his 50-car pile-up version of the JL.
     
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  5. JD

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    Before this the only bad things I'd heard about Whedon were the accusations from his ex-wife, and I have to admit, I'm always a little wary of accusations from exes of either sex. The vast majority of what I'd read and seen from Whedon before this made it look like he was a great guy that people loved working with.
     
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    The specific details in that article end up reflecting poorly on Fisher, IMO, because they illustrate even further that he's being obstinate and belligerent solely because investigators looked at the evidence gathered and concluded that there was no racial animus demonstrated on the part of people like Geoff Johns and Walter Hamada.

    It's akin to a victim or a victim's family harassing jurors because they concluded that the evidence they were presented with didn't warrant the conviction of every defendant in a case involving multiple people.
     
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  8. DarrenTR1970

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    It is all well and good that you want Whedon gone and that he never works in television and film again, but then who would you have placed in charge of the 'Justice League' reshoots?

    Who was available to come in on such short notice to do the studio-mandated changes?

    Nolan? Jenkins? Singer? Abrams? Ratner?

    Or do you turn to the person that's already working with Snyder on lightening the tone of the movie and (at the time) has a proven track record of delivering a well-received (both with critics and audience) blockbuster.
     
  9. Christopher

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    Why do you think they're talking about the past instead of the future? Did someone invent time travel since I went to bed last night?
     
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    He's always come off to me as very egotistical, which is not surprising with talent and especially with acclaim/fan devotion.

    It doesn't seem misogynist to me to insist that the writer-director (you) should have control of the character portrayals and to get frustrated at actors objecting to the writing.
     
  11. Christopher

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    Filmmaking is a collaborative process. There is a leader, yes, but good leaders listen to their team members and bring out the best in them, rather than insisting on doing everything themselves. Directors who act like absolute autocrats and treat their collaborators with contempt are just jerks abusing their authority. And yes, that does often go hand in hand with misogyny, because misogyny is also about bullying those one see as weaker than oneself.

    Even aside from that, a writer should never become too egotistical to listen to criticism. The only way you can ever become a good writer in the first place is by learning from criticism, by listening to the editors or producers or whatever who reject your early efforts and tell you what you did wrong, so that you can learn to do better. It took me five and a half years' worth of rejection letters from magazines before I improved my writing enough to make my first professional sale. And even once you make it, it's important to remain open to criticism and suggestion. I feel that writers who get so successful that nobody dares criticize them anymore tend to get sloppier and produce less worthwhile work.
     
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    Another day another repeat WB asshole and it's Geoffrey Johns again who denied Regé-Jean Page a role on Krypton due to his race it seems.

    He also apparantly thinks it's ok to tell a Black Woman what is or isn't Black culture...

     
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    Remember when they reshot half of the Voyager pilot because Janeway let her hair down for some scenes and the execs were having none of it?
     
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    White Liberals--especially those in entertainment and politics sit on their Ivory Throne of Judgement, with a very long history of telling black people what to believe, attempting to define their identity, and admonishing them for not rejecting their varied cultural / familial foundations in favor of what White Liberals embrace / do to themselves. We are seeing more of this behavior exposed by black people sick of the racist abuse; as I've pointed out before, some of the most "progressive" entertainment companies / production houses--the majority populated by White Liberals collectively sitting on the aforementioned Ivory Throne of Judgement--practice the same, racist tactics they accuse others of doing.

    This continuing problem was preceded by the Star Trek Discovery situation with white writers screamed to HR about black Walter Mosley's use of the "N-word" in reference to a personal experience, and the modern day minstrel treatment of Finn (and Boyega, as the actor revealed in 2020) in the Star Wars sequels. This common problem was and will always continue as long as those who waste no time crying from that throne about how "progressive" they are actually earning their place among the worst of the smothering "I'm white and I say so" culture and system.
     
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    Kinda disappointed they didn't emulate Tim Sale's art style, which I think would be very managable in animation, and didn't even go with the distinct color palette.
     
  19. Christopher

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    I'm surprised by the heavy-lined style, which reminds me of Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
     
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    On the one hand I personally think that Tim Sale is a pretty bad artist, on the other hand the animated movies did manage to take frank Miller's terrible work and make it work well enough, so it could have been interesting to see if they could have made Sale's stuff work. But, no one needs to see his horrible Catwoman design, so maybe its all for the best.

    Plus the DC Animated movies are now done with half the care and (seemingly) half the budget based on the last few years, so I doubt the people currently working on them could do for Tim Sale what the DKR animated films did for Frank Miller even fi they wanted to.