DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

[Mr. Adventure]

Joss Whedon would yell "Action!" and expect people of color to perform on cue.
Joss Whedon made people perform the same scene multiple times after they felt they delivered a perfectly adequate performance.
Joss Whedon made people wear tight form-fitting clothing while doing motion capture.
Joss Whedon once rudely yelled "Cut!" before a person of color had even finished their performance.
Joss Whedon made people sit for hours with only straws to breathe while performing facial casts and then covered their faces with hideous and degrading masks.

 

[JD]

Whedon's attorney is now involved:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/dailyedition/2020-10-30/4085278

Whedon’s spokesperson elaborated on the editing process for Justice League, noting: “As is standard on almost all films, there were numerous people involved with mixing the final product, including the editor, special effects person, composer, etc. with the senior colorist responsible for the final version's tone, colors, and mood. This process was further complicated on this project by the fact that Zack shot on film, while Joss shot on digital, which required the team, led by the same senior colorist who has worked on previous films for Zach, to reconcile the two.”

So basically it was exactly what I thought, standard color correction (special thanks to @NoGraveDug for the correct term).
This whole thing is starting to feel more and more like Fisher is just desperate for any attention he can get at this point.

 

[StCoop]

Being very charitable, looking at Fisher's acting history (or lack of one) maybe he's just totally ignorant about how films are made? There hasn't been a movie or TV show made in decades that doesn't undergo some degree of colour correction before release.

 

[JD]

There are a few more quotes from Fisher in the EW article about the new stuff he and Whedon's people have been saying. Fisher says that we what got is just an "abridged" version, and that he'll go into more detail after the investigation is over.

 

[Christopher]

Being very charitable, looking at Fisher's acting history (or lack of one) maybe he's just totally ignorant about how films are made? There hasn't been a movie or TV show made in decades that doesn't undergo some degree of colour correction before release.

Indeed, that's been true since the dawn of color film, since variations in film stock and development routinely led to unpredictable color variations that needed to be adjusted manually. There's the infamous Star Trek anecdote from 1964 where the color tests of Majel Barrett green Orion makeup for "The Cage" kept coming back showing her pink-skinned no matter how much green they slathered on, and finally they figured out that the color-correction guy thought the green skin was a developing error and kept "fixing" it.

 

[StCoop]

Another mark against his latest claims. Warner's demanded that Whedon keep the movie to 2 hours maximum so it's natural that the B plots got cut. Yes it's unfortunate that those are the ones that featured POC actors but the idea that they wouldn't have been cut if they featured white actors is nonsense.

 

[theenglish]

We know this from basic photos. Any photographer using digital cameras touches up color as a most basic function. The Northern Lights on film are always green, when with the naked eye they are much more white with flecks of a spectrum of colors.

 

[The Realist]

I find it interesting the way discussion forums develop cultures of their own. Here, Fisher's claims are greeted with much skepticism, and Snyder's movies don't generally seem very well-liked (though he has a few vocal defenders). On another forum I lurk at, however, Snyder is God, Whedon is the Antichrist, and Fisher's every word is met with breathless credulity.

Mind you, both of these are general interest forums, not the Zack Snyder Fan Forums or anything. As I say, discussion boards just sometimes seem to spontaneously develop a "community consensus."

 

[Mage]

I find it interesting the way discussion forums develop cultures of their own. Here, Fisher's claims are greeted with much skepticism, and Snyder's movies don't generally seem very well-liked (though he has a few vocal defenders). On another forum I lurk at, however, Snyder is God, Whedon is the Antichrist, and Fisher's every word is met with breathless credulity.

Mind you, both of these are general interest forums, not the Zack Snyder Fan Forums or anything. As I say, discussion boards just sometimes seem to spontaneously develop a "community consensus."

This is what real life does. We gravitate towards like minded creatures. Communities (online aswell) are build on similar thoughts and feelings. MSGBoards will be formed towards those who are the most active there, as it is here.

 

[Ovation]

though he has a few vocal defenders

Thanks for the shout out.

(Your overall take on message board cultures is sound. I have observed the same thing across many A/V boards I frequent.)

 

[The Realist]

Thanks for the shout out.

You know I was thinking of you, baby.

(Your overall take on message board cultures is sound. I have observed the same thing across many A/V boards I frequent.)

Yeah, the forum I had in mind is the one at Blu-ray.com. The Snyder Cut thread in their Movies subforum is like the Church of the Holy Zack, and Fisher is treated like the Lord's prophet against the satanic Whedon.

 

[Skywalker]

I'm not really surprised a forum full of Movie Bros would be pro-Snyder.

 

[The Realist]

I'm not really surprised a forum full of Movie Bros would be pro-Snyder.

"Movie bros" is an apt description. They also have a "Hollywood and Celebrities" subforum, which is basically a collection of drool threads for various actresses (styled as "appreciation" threads). Again, differences in forum culture -- those types of threads became politically incorrect around here years ago.

 

[JD]

The thing that still stands out for me with Fisher's comments, is that, other than one vague Tweet by Jason Momoa, no one else involved has come out and backed him up. Even Momoa's tweet wasn't really backing up his story.
I would just think if things were really as horrible as Fisher claims someone else out of the hundreds of people involved in the making of the movie would come out and say "yeah, all this stuff really happened".

 

[kirk55555]

The thing that still stands out for me with Fisher's comments, is that, other than one vague Tweet by Jason Momoa, no one else involved has come out and backed him up. Even Momoa's tweet wasn't really backing up his story.
I would just think if things were really as horrible as Fisher claims someone else out of the hundreds of people involved in the making of the movie would come out and say "yeah, all this stuff really happened".

Yeah. I've been hesitant to just dismiss his allegation completely because so many people, especially minorities and women, do get fucked over regularly in TV/Film production (among many other areas), but its getting to seem more and more like he's either bitter and lying or just totally doesn't understand the process of making a movie. Maybe its a mix of both, I don't know, but he looks worse and worse every time he releases a new statement.

 

[Noname Given]

You know I was thinking of you, baby.

Yeah, the forum I had in mind is the one at Blu-ray.com. The Snyder Cut thread in their Movies subforum is like the Church of the Holy Zack, and Fisher is treated like the Lord's prophet against the satanic Whedon.

^^^
Wow I would think that in a forum devoted to blu-rays; such people would completely understand what post-production color correction is. I guess not.

 

[Jax]

Fisher seem to have legitimate issues early on but he has gone full Howard Beale now.

 

[Christopher]

Fisher seem to have legitimate issues early on but he has gone full Howard Beale now.

But wasn't Beale's breakdown provoked by problems that actually existed? He wasn't delusional, he just couldn't cope with the ugly realities of the world. And there actually were people out to get him.

 

[JD]

According to Ray Fisher, the only Zack Snyder Cyborg scene to make it into the theatrical cut was the scene with the heroes and Gordon on the rooftop in Gotham.
Given how much of the movie was reshot, I'm not to surprised.

 

[Kai "the spy"]

The Peacemaker HBO Max show casts Chris Conrad as Adrian Chase, aka The Vigilante.

Other cast members include Steve Agee and Jennifer Holland reprising their roles from The Suicide Squad, as well as Danielle Brooks and Robert Patrick. And John Cena, obviously.