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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

1) Superman (Serial) - The Spider Lady
2) Atom Man vs Superman (Serial) - Lex
3) Superman and the Mole Men - Mole Men
4) Superman (1978) - Lex
5) Superman II - Zod & Lex
6) Superman III - Ross Webster & a computer
7) Superman IV - Lex & the Nuclear Man
8) Superman Returns - Lex
9) Man of Steel - Zod
10) BvS - Lex and Doomsday
11) Justice League - Steppenwolf
12) Superman (2025) - Lex and the Authority

Out of 12 big screen appearances, Luthor appears in seven, Zod in two (three if you count The Flash).
 
I don't mind them using Lex again, as long as they do something new with the character. Hopefully we'll get more movies after this to do some baddies we haven't seen on the big screen yet.
 
The Snyder thing was an abberation and a creative cul de sac. It's had no impact on the chatacter's evolution over time. And it's over.
I also disagree. Cavill's Superman felt more like a well-rounded character to me, instead of a one-dimensional, powerful Smiley Joe.

As for Gunn's "The Suicide Squad", I personally hated it. I thought it was overrated and not as original as many believed. That's just me.
 
I will never personally understand the cries that always arise for Superman movies to feature also-ran villains instead of Lex. (And yes, even the much-ballyhooed Brainiac is a piker by comparison.) You want to tell a great Superman story, worthy of the big screen, so you willfully omit his ultimate nemesis, and the franchise’s third most important character. Good plan. :techman: I’m glad Gunn knew better.

Besides, most of the live-action Luthors have been interpreted so differently, they might as well be different characters. Gunn’s movie may be the first time a version of the character clearly recognizable from the comics has appeared on the big screen since Atom Man vs. Superman. (TV has featured at least a couple more recently.)
 
2) Atom Man vs Superman (Serial) - Lex

Luthor, yes, but technically not Lex. That serial came out in 1950, and Luthor's first name wasn't established as Lex until Adventure Comics #271 in 1960.

It's notable, however, as perhaps the first time that a superhero adaptation outside the comics used a villain from the comics instead of an original villain, and one of the few times it was done in live action prior to Superman: The Movie (the others I can think of being Batman '66 and the first two episodes of the Lynda Carter Wonder Woman). Although it somewhat conflated Luthor with the unrelated Atom Man villain from the Superman radio series, a post-WWII Nazi agent whose blood was infused with kryptonite and could fire deadly atomic rays.


6) Superman III - Ross Webster & a computer

And I still say Ross Webster felt more to me like Lex Luthor than the Reeve movies' Luthor ever did. (And the computer was originally going to be Brainiac.)



I will never personally understand the cries that always arise for Superman movies to feature also-ran villains instead of Lex.

Only a few of the many live-action Batman movies have featured the Joker. Only two Spider-Man movies have featured Norman Osborn as the Green Goblin. It makes sense to feature the #1 villain in a hero's debut movie, yes, but when there are a lot of movies, it's natural to want some variety.

And an "also-ran" character can always be turned into a star if used effectively. General Zod was a B- or C-list villain before Superman II came out. Similarly, the Riddler had only been in a handful of issues before Batman '66 made him a star on the same level as the Joker or the Penguin.

It's erroneous to assume that movies or TV shows depend on a comics character's prior popularity, because the movie/TV audience is far, far larger than the comics audience, so most viewers won't know or care whether a character was previously a big deal or not.



Besides, most of the live-action Luthors have been interpreted so differently, they might as well be different characters. Gunn’s movie may be the first time a version of the character clearly recognizable from the comics has appeared on the big screen since Atom Man vs. Superman. (TV has featured at least a couple more recently.)

I agree with your first sentence, though I think it's too early to judge the rest. The glimpse of Hoult's Lex in the trailer is certainly very promising, but we can't learn much from just a few seconds of screen time. Hoult looks effective in the role, but we've seen that a good performance can be undermined by poor writing (e.g. Cavill's Superman).
 
It makes sense to feature the #1 villain in a hero's debut movie, yes, but when there are a lot of movies, it's natural to want some variety.
I don’t even think this necessarily follows. Should there be a “variety” of Superman movie heroines? (I’m aware some would answer yes, but what they say is unimportant and we do not hear their words.)

The James Bond movies typically feature a revolving door of heroines and villains. Not all franchises have the same requirements. Superman has a character dynamic with Lex that makes him far more than just another stock antagonist, but rather a central player in the ensemble. (One thing Smallville got very right was treating him as such, and featuring him as a consistent presence throughout the show’s first seven seasons.)
I agree with your first sentence, though I think it's too early to judge the rest. The glimpse of Hoult's Lex in the trailer is certainly very promising, but we can't learn much from just a few seconds of screen time. Hoult looks effective in the role, but we've seen that a good performance can be undermined by poor writing (e.g. Cavill's Superman).
Hence “may be.”
 
I don’t even think this necessarily follows. Should there be a “variety” of Superman movie heroines? (I’m aware some would answer yes, but what they say is unimportant and we do not hear their words.)

How is that a valid equivalence? In most comic or TV series, you have a regular cast of protagonists who take on rotating villains. Lois Lane has almost always been a regular co-lead in Superman stories, but a variety of villains have come and gone. They're not the same category.


The James Bond movies typically feature a different heroine and villain each time.

Yet they usually feature M, Q, and Moneypenny, and frequently Felix Leiter. There is a difference between a regular cast and a guest cast. Lois Lane is nearly always part of Superman's regular cast; Lex Luthor is generally a semiregular at best, with some exceptions.



Not all franchises have the same requirements. Superman has a character dynamic with Lex that makes him far more than just another stock antagonist, but rather a central player in the ensemble.

I find that an oddly selective interpretation of how Superman stories work. Lex is undoubtedly Superman's most important antagonist, but it's quite a leap from that to considering him indispensable in every single Superman story. I find that quite reductionist. Superman's existence does not revolve solely around Lex Luthor, except in Lex Luthor's mind.
 
Fair points. I was admittedly taking a somewhat extreme posture in response to my exasperation with the constant and tiresome “Lex again?” complaint. Lex may not be “indispensable in every single Superman story,” but I never find his presence unwelcome. Quite the contrary. And you certainly can make him productively and successfully central to an ongoing Superman narrative, without making Clark’s existence revolve solely around him; again, Smallville provides proof of concept in that regard.
 
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