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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

If Snyder was smart, he should’ve adapted Batman year one as his entry into the DCEU. All he had to do was follow his shot by shot recreation of each panel. As for Superman, he should’ve gone with John Byrne’s Man of Steel. Though that’s probably not to his taste.
 
I don't like anything he's made in the last ten years, but I enjoyed most of what he made before that. The Dawn remake he did with Gunn, 300, Watchmen...heck, I even quite like Sucker Punch and I'm not ashamed to admit it. But only the director's cut. The theatrical cut annoys me so much.

Snyder is like Michael Bay to me. I don't know if they make worse movies now than they used to or if I just lost the part of me that can stand their worst impulses. But I liked a chunk of their filmography up to a certain point and then not so much afterwards.
They may have similar levels of talent, but Snyder is a filmmaker with some artistic ambition. Bay, IMO, is funding a lifestyle.
 
You have the opposite of truth. I have the truth of what is going on, which is proven every day in this thread. Some cannot (and have no desire) to stop themselves. :lol:

Truth of what, exactly? Truth seems to be that Warner was unhappy with Zack Snyder’s output. Zack Snyder has moved on. Henry Cavil has moved on. The only people who haven’t moved on is a handful of fans. I guess it boils down to not being able to admit that that chapter of life is over.
 
Truth of what, exactly? Truth seems to be that Warner was unhappy with Zack Snyder’s output. Zack Snyder has moved on. Henry Cavil has moved on. The only people who haven’t moved on is a handful of fans. I guess it boils down to not being able to admit that that chapter of life is over.
Exactly so.

"Nostalgia glazers" is a good turn of phrase.

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I've been watching quite a few clips of the Cavill Superman movies, including a lot of behind the scenes stuff.

By the end of his era, that muscle suit had gotten completely out of hand.

I don't doubt that Marvel costuming uses similar suits, but they're usually a little more subtle.* Cavill was a muscular, well-defined guy during at least portions of the production shoots - damn but he looks great in his shirtless "resurrection fight" sequence in Justice League. He or Chris Evans could perform their roles with minimal costume enhancements. The problem for Cavill was the preposterously macho vision of the character than Snyder seemed to want to portray onscreen.

*Plus, they just go to CG for armor or the Hulk.
 
Truth of what, exactly? Truth seems to be that Warner was unhappy with Zack Snyder’s output. Zack Snyder has moved on. Henry Cavil has moved on. The only people who haven’t moved on is a handful of fans. I guess it boils down to not being able to admit that that chapter of life is over.
The alleged "truth" in question appears to be that any criticism of Snyder can only be motivated by some kind of pathological hatred, and not just, you know, people disagreeing that he's the greatest cinematic colossus ever to stride the earth. As I said a few pages back, there's a near-religious fervor that Snyder seems to elicit from some, and you're either a worshipful fellow congregant or an irredeemable heretic.
 
There was a YouTube video that I chose not to post that essentially said it was the Snyder fans who were the ones to blame for the demise of the DECU and that Snyder maybe wasn't the best person to helm the DECU and their stubborn refusal to move on from that might hurt the DECU going forward under Gunn.
 
There was a YouTube video that I chose not to post that essentially said it was the Snyder fans who were the ones to blame for the demise of the DECU and that Snyder maybe wasn't the best person to helm the DECU and their stubborn refusal to move on from that might hurt the DECU going forward under Gunn.
Well, I mean, the most obsessive of them would certainly like to hurt Gunn's reboot and see it fail. Review bombings and other such petty vindictive nonsense can probably be expected upon Superman's release. But ultimately, that crowd is just a tiny minority of angry man-children with too much time on their hands. The movie will succeed or fail on its own merits, and if the response to the trailer is any indication, it seems already to have the wind at its back.
 
Truth of what, exactly?

Daily rants about Snyder.

The only people who haven’t moved on is a handful of fans

Not close to fact, as this thread is littered with people who--to this day--go on and on bitching-to-despising Snyder and his DC films long after his last association with the material ended...in a thread about the Gunn period of films. Day after day, its the same, usual suspects ranting the equivalent of someone "destroyed" their childhood view of a comic book character. If they were so hot for Gunn's DC films, or his Superman in particular, one would imagine they would spend every moment in this thread discussing that, but that is barely happening, because the usual suspects cannot let go of their obsessive hatred of Snyder & his DC films.

The problem is all theirs.

Truth seems to be that Warner was unhappy with Zack Snyder’s output.

...and failed miserably the second they sniffed after the tone and approach of other films / studios. A detailed list of WB's unnecessary "course-correction" is found here:

Maybe one day, people will realize that Warner Bros was the true villain in the DCEU’s failure all along.


Wonder Woman 1 was a success and positively received. Snyder worked on the story and executive produced it. WW84 was all Patty Jenkins. From the story, directing and reception. Wonder Woman 3 was cancelled after WW84 flopped. As of right now, there are no plans for a new Wonder Woman in the Gunnverse.


Suicide Squad 1 was a success financially. It even won WB an Academy Award for best Make-Up and Hairstyling. Thanks to Killer Croc, Harley and Joker. Snyder worked on that film as well. As it was more closely tied to his version of JL, before the execs at WB had it cut and edited to resemble Deadpool 1. Which also released that year.

James Gunn’s sequel was a box office bomb. A bomb so bad that even though Gunn is the head of DCU studios now. Gunn has said there are no plans to do another Suicide Squad film. Best we’ll get is Creature Commandos and Peacemaker season 2.


Aquaman 1 was a high success. The only billion dollar gross in the DCEU, and the last movie Snyder had anything to do with before he was fired. What did WB decide to do to capitalize on this film’s success? Wait 5 years to release a sequel and tell the whole world the film didn’t matter to the rebooted universe going forward; before it hit theaters. Aquaman 2 was a financial disappointment but there are worse performing films out there.


Such as Shazam 1 and Shazam 2. Shazam 1 never had any thunder. Released between Captain Marvel and Avengers Endgame. The first movie was a modest hit. The second movie was a disaster. Losing money big time compared to the first film (a recurring pattern of DCEU films) and losing to Sonic the Hedgehog 2.


Somehow, someway, people blame Shazam 2’s woes on Black Adam. Another dud in the DCEU. Black Adam did about as well as Aquaman 2 financially. Not a totally disaster like WW84, The Suicide Squad and Shazam 2, but not a profit like it needed to justify the Rock’s takeover.


Let’s talk about The Flash. A film James Gunn called one of the best comic book movies ever made. This was before he was officially the head the DCU. Gotta tow the company line. Outside of being stuck in development hell for years. Ezra Miller’s antics and criminal activity, put promoting this film in a real tough spot.The film was yet another box office bomb for the DCEU. As well as, being another character Gunn has said there are no plans to do a new movie for in the DCU.


Another casualty was Blue Beetle. I hated to see this movie fail. One of a number of niche properties Walter Hamada thought would be the next hit for the face of the DC brand.

Hamada’s other ideas for CBM included:
A Wonder Twins movie. Pre-production was cancelled early because they thought it was too niche. Ya think?

The Leslie Grace Batgirl movie. That was completed and then junked for a tax write-off by current WB chief executive David Zaslav.

The Sasha Calle Supergirl movie. Meant to replace Cavilman.

The New Gods movie with Ava Duvernay and Tom King. Tom King is now working on the Supergirl movie.

After years of saying they had plans for GL. They are finally moving ahead with a series on their Max streaming service.

JJ Abrams’ Black Superman movie with Ta Nehisi Coates. Announced back in 2019. This film still has not officially been cancelled but we all know it’s not happening.

JJ Abrams Justice League Dark movie.


Lastly, we can talk about Justice League. Theatrical and Director’s cut. WB lied and denied that there was different version of the film we got in theaters for years. When the world did see Zack Snyder’s Justice League, it was met with critic approval and fan approval. The only professional critic positively rated film in his Superman trilogy.

ZSJL also came out at a unique time for cbms. In 2021, there were 3 Justice League type properties released. Mark Millar’s Jupiter’s Leagcy on Netflix, the Eternals by the MCU and ZSJL by HBOMax. Eternals and Jupiter’s Leagcy were both rotten with critics. Eternals was also a box office bomb for Marvel. Only WB had access to the genuine article. Only WB had the Real McCoy. And they did nothing to capitalize on that moment. Not saying that Zack Snyder needed to comeback, but there was life in the direction WB had abandoned to pursue their scattershot approach. People wanted Avengers level ensembles. People wanted to see the A-Listers they were familiar with. Instead we got the series of niche movies nobody asked for.

This is all AFTER Hamada brought on WB’s directors from their horror series (Annabelle, It Follows, The Conjuring) to chart a new direction for the DC movies, keep costs down and maximize profits.


Next to Sony and their Spider-Man-Less Spider-Man movies. No other studio has dropped the ball as hard as WB has. Zack Snyder has been gone from WB since March 2017. Nearly 8 years now. I don’t think you can blame him for anything that happened after he left. It was all WB and they made the wrong call at every turn.
 
Five and a half years after the original. That’s very disappointing


Hopefully the 2nd movie will progress in real time so that we see Batman become a staple of Gotham and advance his gear.

I don’t think it would work if the second movie picked up right after the first movie.
 
There was a YouTube video that I chose not to post that essentially said it was the Snyder fans who were the ones to blame for the demise of the DECU and that Snyder maybe wasn't the best person to helm the DECU and their stubborn refusal to move on from that might hurt the DECU going forward under Gunn.

Which makes no sense, since Snyder only produced or directed 4 of the 15 canonical DCEU movies (JL Snyder Cut is an alternate continuity). Warner Bros. "moved on" from him in 2017, only 4 years into the 10-year run of the DCEU. I believe Geoff Johns was the main person in charge of the DCEU for the majority of its run. It's just that the Snyder fanatics online won't shut up about him, which makes him seem more important to the DCEU than he actually was.
 
Hopefully the 2nd movie will progress in real time so that we see Batman become a staple of Gotham and advance his gear.

I don’t think it would work if the second movie picked up right after the first movie.
Then that means that there’s 5 & 1/2 years of his career we will have missed out on. We had a trilogy whose third movie jumped ahead by 8 years, during which time Batman had been inactive, then an expanded universe with an older Batman in the later days of his career. Having gone back to a younger incarnation in the early part of his career, to me it seems a waste to skip ahead by so long. I’d really like to see more of this particular version of Batman and more regularly.
 
Hopefully the 2nd movie will progress in real time so that we see Batman become a staple of Gotham and advance his gear.

I don’t think it would work if the second movie picked up right after the first movie.
I thought The Penguin is supposed to end at the start of Batman 2
 
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