DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[Set Harth]

I don't think I ever heard of this....

me either.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

It's the one with Doogie Howser as Spidey.

Not a good animated representation of Spider-Man at all.

 

[Samurai8472]

I don't think I ever heard of this....

MTV's 2003 Spider-man animated series. It only lasted 13 episodes.

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[Christopher]

Warner Bros Animation/DC Comics/Paramount just dropped a teaser trailer for an animated Watchmen movie with the subheading 'Chapters 1 & 2'. There's no release date only a 'Coming Soon' at the end. I didn't even know this was a thing. The animation is reminiscent of Marvel's 'What If?' series.

Saw the trailer. The animation style doesn't seem right for this, any more than Snyder's visual style did. It also seems to be playing into the popular misconception that Rorschach is the hero of the story.

 

[Mage]

It ran for one 13-episode season in 2003 and starred Neil Patrick Harris as Peter, Lisa Loeb as MJ, and Ian Ziering as Harry Osborn. It was an early attempt at cel-shaded 3D computer animation, which didn't look great, though when I saw some footage from it within the past couple of years, I realized it wasn't as bad-looking as I remembered. It was nominally an attempt to do a more "mature" Spidey cartoon, but it defined maturity in terms of violence and grim themes, and the character writing wasn't very sophisticated compared to the classic '90s animated series.

I honestly can not recall if Dutch MTV showed this at the time. Most likely not, otherwise I would have heard about it I think.

 

[Morpheus 02]

Gunn has been clear (and by "clear" I mean "kinda confusing") that his DCU, starting with the Creature Commandos cartoon, will be its own separate continuity from prior DC productions. Where this is gonna get weird is in the case of things like Blue Beetle and Peacemaker, which are apparently going to carry over elements from their DCEU incarnations to the DCU versions, and at the same time represent a continuity break. So the first season of Peacemaker won't be canon to the second, but per Gunn almost everything will carry over except whatever is explicitly incompatible with the DCU (e.g., the portrayal of the Justice Leaguers). It strikes me as ill-advised and frankly a little self-serving on Gunn's part; he recasts and reinvents other people's projects but not his own existing baby. It would have been a better idea to make a clean break with all things DCEU, if he's going with a new universe, IMO.

Then again, I don't give two hoots about Peacemaker, so I don't really care what Gunn does or doesn't do with it for my own purposes. Ditto Blue Beetle.

Kinda, but I gather season 2 of Peacemaker will track with season 1 more closely than S&L did with the Arrowverse. I think Gunn is gonna retain everything he can except, like, the Miller and Momoa cameos. Apparently there will even be some in-story reference to or explanation for the universe change. Again, I think it's basically Gunn not wanting to give up his baby, even as he scraps pretty much everything else from the DCEU.

You guys didn't see that happening? With all the time and creative energy he invested in Peacemaker, would ANYONE be surprised that retaining it would be part of the agreement for Gunn signing on? (also, with it being a successful Max series, it will be new content ready on the jump)

With Snyder's director's cuts... seems like a DCOU edit of Peacemaker, once they select some new buddy characters (like how Miller & Momoa worked in Peacemaker), seems like they could eaisly be slid in for a re-edited Peacemaker that they show in the future (and get their Max viewing numbers up in a way that makes it easily worthwhile).

If Gunn's SUperman is successful, then we should expected a re-edited 1st season of Peacemaker to be set up, once Gunn selects replacements for that Justice League scene...the silohettes can be ANY heroes he is thinking of, and then the 2 will be any that are available, and will work in that comedy context (possibly a first appearance of a character, and one already established on screen). But as i said, we will only see it if Gunn is successful. And maybe even a special edition of Suicide Squad as well, which inserts some tie-ins.

With Blue Beetle, i really liked the cast, and it seemed set up to work with EITHER the DCFU or the DCOU.


I also agree that this roll out feels a little bit of a mess....so far, slightly less so than the DC FU...and i like the intention of united TV, movies, along with animated (and even games) . Still don;t understand how Creature COmmandos would be a good introduction to the DCOU, but we will find out shortly, i guess....

 

[theenglish]

... seems like a DCOU edit of Peacemaker, once they select some new buddy characters (like how Miller & Momoa worked in Peacemaker), seems like they could eaisly be slid in for a re-edited Peacemaker that they show in the future (and get their Max viewing numbers up in a way that makes it easily worthwhile).

Other than that final scene and actors reprising their TSS roles, is there anything else that ties Peacemaker to the old DCEU? That final scene with Momoa and Miller was just a tacked on scene that could easily just be cut entirely from the episode.

 

[Tosk]

I'd rather they both leave it in and leave it as-is*. Peacemaker yelling, "You're late, you fucking dicks!" fits well with the DCEU Justice League.

*Which they almost certainly will.

 

[Morpheus 02]

I'd rather they both leave it in and leave it as-is*. Peacemaker yelling, "You're late, you fucking dicks!" fits well with the DCEU Justice League.

*Which they almost certainly will.

Oh, I would FULLY expect Peacemaker's line will be the same... I think the new Justice League cameos might change, depending on who they have

 

[Tosk]

What I mean is, that line is a much more fitting legacy for those versions than hopefully the ones we're about to get.

 

[The Realist]

Gunn posted this yesterday while the board was down. It's admittedly pretty substance-free, but being the huge Lois and Clark fan that I am, it still gave me a little thrill of excitement and anticipation:

One year ago today David and Rachel screen-tested for Clark and Lois. When they first read together it was like magic. What a wonderful year it’s been with two of the most extraordinary, vibrant, and meticulous actors I’ve ever had the opportunity to work with. I can’t wait for you to see them on screen in just a little over a year.

 

[The Realist]

Photos have surfaced online of what are apparently the entrance and lobby of the Daily Planet building in Gunn's film:

Spoiler

I fricking love how classic and ornate Gunn is going here. I like the Planet feeling venerable and historic, with roots in the early 20th century.

It seems the location is a redress of the Leader Building in Cleveland. Fittingly, it was originally built to house a newspaper:

Completed in 1913, the Leader Building was built by industrialist Dan Hanna to house The Cleveland Leader, a Cleveland newspaper he had recently acquired.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_Building

 

[Christopher]

It seems the location is a redress of the Leader Building in Cleveland.

How appropriate, since Siegel & Shuster were from Cleveland and originally modeled Metropolis on it. (I'm not sure if it was specifically identified with New York prior to the Richard Donner movie. The '50s TV series used Los Angeles scenery and stock footage to represent it, of course.) I wonder if that influenced the filmmakers' choice of location.

 

[The Realist]

Jimmy Olsen, Cat Grant, and Steve Lombard unwinding after a long day at the Planet:

 

[JD]

Photos have surfaced online of what are apparently the entrance and lobby of the Daily Planet building in Gunn's film:

Spoiler

I fricking love how classic and ornate Gunn is going here. I like the Planet feeling venerable and historic, with roots in the early 20th century.

It seems the location is a redress of the Leader Building in Cleveland. Fittingly, it was originally built to house a newspaper:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_Building

That is really cool.

 

[The Realist]

Photos have surfaced online of what are apparently the entrance and lobby of the Daily Planet building in Gunn's film:

Spoiler

I fricking love how classic and ornate Gunn is going here. I like the Planet feeling venerable and historic, with roots in the early 20th century.

It seems the location is a redress of the Leader Building in Cleveland. Fittingly, it was originally built to house a newspaper:



https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leader_Building

Also banners on the building:

Spoiler

I have my doubts about some of Gunn's choices for the film, but I'm really liking the approach to the Daily Planet stuff.

 

[theenglish]

How appropriate, since Siegel & Shuster were from Cleveland and originally modeled Metropolis on it. (I'm not sure if it was specifically identified with New York prior to the Richard Donner movie. The '50s TV series used Los Angeles scenery and stock footage to represent it, of course.) I wonder if that influenced the filmmakers' choice of location.

I don't believe it was. I was young at the time but I clearly recall being surprised at Superman flying around the Statue of Liberty. New York and Metropolis were distinct cities in the comics--I believe there was even a map published in the 70s that showed Metropolis location compared to New York and Gotham.

 

[Christopher]

I don't believe it was. I was young at the time but I clearly recall being surprised at Superman flying around the Statue of Liberty. New York and Metropolis were distinct cities in the comics--I believe there was even a map published in the 70s that showed Metropolis location compared to New York and Gotham.

Well, sure, Metropolis and Gotham are separate from NYC in-universe, but they're still based on NYC from a creative standpoint. There's that line someone said (maybe Denny O'Neil or Frank Miller) that Metropolis is the best parts of NYC in the daytime and Gotham is the worst parts of NYC at night. But what I'm saying is that I don't know if the comics' depiction of Metropolis was inspired by NYC prior to the Donner movie. Like how Smallville wasn't in Kansas until the Donner movie -- that very map reference you mention put it in eastern Pennsylvania or something, fairly close to Metropolis in Delaware.

Then again, I'm kind of talking myself out of my hypothesis right now, because it occurs to me that the very fact that that reference put Gotham in New Jersey and Metropolis in Delaware implies that they were meant to be similar to New York City. (Which is obvious in Gotham's case from its name; indeed, at least one early Batman story explicitly called the city New York.) I guess that stands to reason, since the comics' creators for most of its history were working out of NYC, and so had been the creators of the Superman radio series in the '40s. So it seems likely that the roots of treating Metropolis like NYC do go back that far after all.

 

[JD]

I was a surprised a while back when I found out that the DC US includes all of their fictional cities, like Gotham, Metropolis, Star City, Coast City, ect. along with all of the real world cities too. I had always assumed those cities all existed instead of the real world cities. Their US is a lot more packed with major cities than the real world.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I was a surprised a while back when I found out that the DC US includes all of their fictional cities, like Gotham, Metropolis, Star City, Coast City, ect. along with all of the real world cities too. I had always assumed those cities all existed instead of the real world cities. Their US is a lot more packed with major cities than the real world.

When Kurt Busiek wrote the JLA/Avengers crossover miniseries it was pointed out that the Justice League/DC Earth was actually slightly larger than the Avengers/Marvel Earth, allowing it to accommodate the fictional DC countries/cities such as Metropolis/Gotham/Central/Coast.