DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)
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Supergirl begins shooting this week
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‘Supergirl: Woman Of Tomorrow’ begins filming in UK for Warner Bros
The latest DC/Warner Bros title stars Milly Alcock and Jason Momoa.
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Bit crazy to start shooting this before they even know how Suprman is going to do.
They probably figure that over the long run both will make money, and don’t want to be caught empty handed if Superman is a major success.
I've heard others who share your view.
^ This.
One can conclude a small TV audience of a niche program was not going to be some backbone of / fuel for big movie ticket sales. The Flash in any format was never a character who transcended the native medium on any major level (in the way Star Trek TOS did), so no one should have looked the Berlanti Flash's audience for support.
The Flash / Miller film failed due to far too many cooks involved (including one who is the subject of this thread), and aside from a few actors, had no connection to the successful chapters of the DCEU (MoS/BvS/WW/AM/ZSJL), with that ridiculous multiverse nonsense, which should not have been the 1st adventure for the big screen Flash.
It is not, for a variety of reasons. One of which is that these movies take a long time from development to release, and if Superman is a success, they would otherwise not have a follow-up theatrical DCU entry ready until 2027 at the earliest.
Yeah, even the MCU started with two movies within a couple of months of each other.
Also, just because these movies are under the umbrella of a "fictional universe," that doesn't make the response to one an absolute predictor of the response to the next. The individual films will largely succeed or fail on their own merits. Aquaman was a bigger hit than any of the previous DCEU movies, and it was the next film in the series following the failure of Justice League. Even if Superman flops, that's no guarantee that Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow will do the same.
Yeah, it's clear by now that it's not about audience interest in the character. With Superman, that's there. it's the individual film that will be judged by the audience.
Although timing is probably a big issue, as well. Looking to Star Wars, the Han Solo movie came out about half a year after the previous Star Wars movie, and that apparently was too short a time for a lot of the audience. But you also can't wait too long, or you'll get a drop like Aquaman 2.
Although timing is probably a big issue, as well. Looking to Star Wars, the Han Solo movie came out about half a year after the previous Star Wars movie, and that apparently was too short a time for a lot of the audience. But you also can't wait too long, or you'll get a drop like Aquaman 2.
It had a pretty strong connection to MoS ( and also made several references to ZSJL along the way ).
Yep. In fact, it depends more crucially on the events of Snyder's films -- mainly MoS -- than does any other non-Snyder DCEU entry.
Yeah, that occured to me after I got off last night.
Of course not, but I just meant to show that in general there is enough interest in and awareness of the character that she show managed to draw in record numbers, and become one of the most popular shows of the year.
My thinking was that if the character was really unpopular and nobody was interested in him there wouldn't have been enough awareness out there to draw in those kind of numbers.
Muschietti's actual remarks are completely circular reasoning anyway. His actual quote clearly shows he's basing this idea on the four quadrant analysis of *his movie* and some 'private conversations' which are obviously a laughably stupid source to base anything like this on - even if he had had enough conversations to be statistically significant (which certainly did not happen) and even if he actually understood everyone correctly (rather than thinking they don't like 'the Flash' when they don't like Miller as 'the Flash') he's still the guy who made the movie so of course many people will look for excuses to avoid telling him his movie just sucked.
Bottom line, *his movie* didn't do well with women. (Big shocker, Miller is a creep who was accused by the FBI of grooming teenagers and trying to start his own cult). But that has nothing to do with whether the *character* has any popularity with women or not, no matter how much Muschietti wants to conflate the two. And there's absolutely no objective evidence to support the idea that the Flash is any less popular with women than any other similarly recognizable superhero character, most of which have had much more successful films than The Flash (except maybe characters like Thor and Loki who are famously eye-candy for the female gaze, in addition to their other qualities).
Bottom line, *his movie* didn't do well with women. (Big shocker, Miller is a creep who was accused by the FBI of grooming teenagers and trying to start his own cult). But that has nothing to do with whether the *character* has any popularity with women or not, no matter how much Muschietti wants to conflate the two. And there's absolutely no objective evidence to support the idea that the Flash is any less popular with women than any other similarly recognizable superhero character, most of which have had much more successful films than The Flash (except maybe characters like Thor and Loki who are famously eye-candy for the female gaze, in addition to their other qualities).
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thanks for nothing, Jem'Hadar
I'm talking about the main plot, which was about Barry's reasons for time travel--that was the heart of the entire film. The Zod plot ultimately seemed incidental to the overall plot point of Barry screwing around with the timeline and his parents' fates.
TV viewership still does not mean a thing to potential numbers of moviegoers of a particular subject, and there seems to be a disconnect in assuming CW Flash's audience would 1) see a film based on another, established Flash in a different film universe or 2) if they were so loyal to the CW version, believe they would just happily waltz into theatres to see another actor, instead of Gustin--the latter supposedly "their" Flash.
As noted earlier, the CW Flash was not a property that transcended its native medium (unlike Star Trek TOS, and the widespread push eventually leading to its live action return as a big screen production), so banking on their interest in another Flash production would not be wise.
I'm not sure if I'm being clear here, I'm not talking about fans of the TV show specifically, all I meant was that a lot of people must have been aware of and interested in the character since the show's pilot and early episodes, which would have been before people had any attachment to that specific version of the character, did really well.
So obviously The Flash was not a totally unknown character that nobody care about, since people were able to make the show's early episodes a success based solely on the fact that it was The Flash.
OK, yes technically this version of the character was introduced on Arrow, but I think The Flash did a lot better than Arrow, so obviously a lot of people who didn't watch Arrow did watch The Flash.
So obviously The Flash was not a totally unknown character that nobody care about, since people were able to make the show's early episodes a success based solely on the fact that it was The Flash.
OK, yes technically this version of the character was introduced on Arrow, but I think The Flash did a lot better than Arrow, so obviously a lot of people who didn't watch Arrow did watch The Flash.
The plot wasn't the only issue. But you're right/correct.
This author gave a good analysis IMO:
Why THE FLASH Failed - Andy Muschietti's Comments Don't Tell The Whole Story
Muschietti's recent comments about his DCEU movie's failure do not tell the entire story. These are the real reasons why The Scarlet Speedster's first solo movie failed.
You were right on the fact that there were "Too Many Cook's in the kitchen".
But that only tells part of the many issues with "The Flash".
::In no particular order of importance::
1) The Flash is literally the 4th most popular charcter in the Justice League.
So you're basing a movie on a lower tier popularity character, that already has it working against it.
It's not a impossible feat to overcome, (Guardians of the Galaxy) is living Proof along with the numerous other Comic Book movies about other previously less popular hereoes.
But it sure doesn't help. Especially to a main stream audience.
2) The Endless Re-Writes / Too Many Cooks in the kitchen (You mentioned that before)
3) Ezra Miller's personal issues becomes a National PR disaster
4) The lousy VFX (Blame the Cooks & the endless re-writes) due to lack of time to make it look good.
5) Super Hero Fatigue (It's there, but it isn't a insurmountable barrier, but it sure doesn't help).
6) DCEU imploding & getting reformed at the same time.
7) Overly Complicated Plot for what should be a far simpler plot given the core premise. (See Above).
8) It didn't meet certain demographics in terms of wide market audience appeal (it lacked the female audience appeal)
You're correct, but for different reasons I believe.
I don't think any of the WB execs were counting on CW TV viewerships to do anything for their movie realistically.
Especially for "The Flash" TV series.
The average viewership #'s for "The Flash" dwindled over the many seasons.
You have to remember that "The Flash" started with a S1 average of 4.62 Millions of viewers.
By the time you got to S8, the average was 0.86 Millions of viewers.
And the Flash movie came out around the end of S8 or after it.
CW Flash is a TV show for fans of the TV show, that's fine. But given it's performance over time, don't expect it to do anything more for the IP outside of it's little TV niche.
It did "ok" as part of the Arrow-verse. It managed to survive for a long time. That's all that's left.
The show's writing quality definitely took a hit after Andrew Kreisberg got "Me-Too-ed" & booted out of the production staff.
Regardless of the allegations against him & if they were true or not, or how you may feel about him.
His firing caused a seismic shift in all the Arrow-verse writing material that he was inter-twined with.
The writing quality across the board did take a hit & fans noticed / complained.
That affected more than just "The Flash", it affected "Arrow", & "Supergirl".
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I agree that Supergirl took a hit initially after Kreisberg was fired partway through the show's third season -- my impression at the time was that they abandoned the planned direction of the season's arc he had been involved with developing (presumably so they wouldn't have to credit him on the stories/scripts), and tried to rewrite it on the fly, not entirely successfully -- but the show rebounded nicely in the superb fourth season.
While S4 of SuperGirl was good for what it is (it was "Alright" in the grand scheme of things, but something about the writing & characterization still went wrong), but S5 & S6 wasn't as stellar IMO as earlier seasons.
I dunno, something went horribly wrong after S3 of SuperGirl, I lost interest after S4.
S5/6 was a slog that I couldn't be bothered to finish.
So it's literally sitting on my "Unfinished Pile" of things to watch.
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