DC and Marvel merged
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Most likely, they'd have to do what they did with The Sentry in the real thing and eliminate Superman from the situation somehow. Whichever side Superman chooses, wins, really. Not just because of Superman's powers, but his public support as well.
I can't really see any hero on either side being willing to fight Superman.
I can't really see any hero on either side being willing to fight Superman.
The Big Seven
Superman
Batman
Captain America
Wonder Woman
Thor
Iron Man
Flash
The Second Seven
Wonder Man
Green Lantern
Giant-Man
Wasp
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
Hawkman
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I'd say have the Justice League be the group for the really world-cataclysm style stuff while the Avengers would be for the lesser things like world conquerors or major villains threatening entire countries, Masters of Evil stuff.
Speaking of which, who would be in the Masters of Evil this time around? Would Lex Luthor be a member of the Thunderbolts team in a disguise as well when Zemo first formed them?
Speaking of which, who would be in the Masters of Evil this time around? Would Lex Luthor be a member of the Thunderbolts team in a disguise as well when Zemo first formed them?
Is Wasp really the only female Marvel character anyone considers worthy of the world's greatest assemblage of heroes? I've heard critiques of Marvel's treatment of female characters, but is it really that bad? A woman who can get really tiny -- a superpower that frankly strikes me as counterproductive in most situations -- is the best Marvel can contribute?
The point of my question is to look beyond what we're used to seeing from the separate Marvel and DC universes -- to start from scratch in a universe where both sets of characters have always coexisted and see what develops. So it shouldn't just be a mix of established JL and Avengers characters. The question is, who are the greatest heroes in the combined universe, the ones most worthy of membership in a Justice League? There have got to be some Marvel women who fit the bill and aren't already committed to other teams. Ms. Marvel comes to mind, and maybe She-Hulk. Not sure who else, though.
The point of my question is to look beyond what we're used to seeing from the separate Marvel and DC universes -- to start from scratch in a universe where both sets of characters have always coexisted and see what develops. So it shouldn't just be a mix of established JL and Avengers characters. The question is, who are the greatest heroes in the combined universe, the ones most worthy of membership in a Justice League? There have got to be some Marvel women who fit the bill and aren't already committed to other teams. Ms. Marvel comes to mind, and maybe She-Hulk. Not sure who else, though.
Ms. Marvel, She-Hulk, the Invisible Woman, Spider-Woman, Black Widow to name just a handful (and I've avoided naming mutants in the list).
Wasp wouldn't be a member of any team for the simple reason that she's dead.
I agree, Marvel has been pushing Ms Marvel as their answer to Wonder Woman for these last few years so she should get the A-List team spot. Wasp was a founding member but that was it.
The Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter Spider-Women too are powerful enough and both experienced espionage agents.
Mockingbird is Marvel's answer to Black Canary (heck, she married her archer love interest first!), and since BC is JLA chairwoman Mockingbird should qualify.
DC were the ones who started the "Women in refrigerators" stuff, not Marvel.
Now the real question is how this universe would've been if it WAS started over from scratch. Certain chars never would have emerged, or if they still had would be rather different from their regular universe selves.
Spidey would've been less a loner since he might find more appropriate friendship and acceptance among the Teen Titans when he starts out and remains a Titan member to the present incarnation. Just one example.
The Jessica Drew and Julia Carpenter Spider-Women too are powerful enough and both experienced espionage agents.
Mockingbird is Marvel's answer to Black Canary (heck, she married her archer love interest first!), and since BC is JLA chairwoman Mockingbird should qualify.
DC were the ones who started the "Women in refrigerators" stuff, not Marvel.
Now the real question is how this universe would've been if it WAS started over from scratch. Certain chars never would have emerged, or if they still had would be rather different from their regular universe selves.
Spidey would've been less a loner since he might find more appropriate friendship and acceptance among the Teen Titans when he starts out and remains a Titan member to the present incarnation. Just one example.
There's no shortage of sexism in both companies' histories, but the complaints I'm seeing about their present-day stuff are harder on Marvel.
I have no desire to see them merge for good. Seeing Marvel/DC writers try to explain everything would probably be more than I could stand.
I'm surprised nobody's brought up the "RandomGuy" Marvel/DC series of YouTube videos made with action figures. They started out as parodies of the "I'm a Mac, I'm a PC" commercials, but have evolved into an elaborate universe where Marvel and DC superheroes hang out together and have shared adventures. It might be the closest thing there is to what we're talking about.
I'd say switch that up some. Switch Batman, Captain America, and Flash with Wonder Man, Green Lantern, and Martian Manhunter then replace Wonder Man with Ms. Marvel. So it looks like this:
The Big Seven
Superman
Ms. Marvel
Green Lantern
Wonder Woman
Thor
Iron Man
Martian Manhunter
The Second Seven
Batman
Captain America
Giant-Man
Wasp
Aquaman
Flash
Hawkman
Now you've got a team of powerful heavy hitters (who can all fly), and a team of "less powerful" heroes who focus a lot more on skill.
ETA: And to work on the gender balance thing for Team 1b, you could replace Hawkman with Hawkgirl (which would free Hawkman up for the JSA, which is another question).
Do you think in this merged universe there would be a need for the X-Men? I mean, do you think the mutant hatred would still be a problem? If not, that frees up Jean Grey and Storm, who could both fit very nicely on this Justice League IMO. It also frees up several other heroes as well obviously. But I think I'd like to see the X-Men stay together as a team...
Ms. Marvel and She-Hulk are good choices. What about Scarlet Witch? Black Widow's kind of underpowered in this new universe; then again, so is Batman and he does alright. I think most of the other higher-profile Marvel women are tied up with other teams too much, between the X-Men and Sue Richards, or don't really fit the bill like Elektra, Spider-Woman, and Jessica Jones.
ETA: One question I've got is what would a merged Justice Society look like? I'm a big fan of that team and concept, a "family" of superheroes raising up the next generation and acting as mentors for the more high-profile League. I can't think of Marvel having anything really similar except to some extent the Fantastic Four and the X-Men.
Marvel didn't have that many WW2 era heroes, aside from the Invaders. And of them, Namor and Captain America made it to the present day and thus aren't mentor material. Human Torch became Vision.
So the Justice Society might be unchanged, really. Except they'd have been dealing with Nick Fury and SHIELD a lot longer.
So the Justice Society might be unchanged, really. Except they'd have been dealing with Nick Fury and SHIELD a lot longer.
Hmm, good point. Maybe some of the "next-generation" heroes could include some Marvel characters then? I'm thinking especially of the Young Avengers, who were explicitly formed as a legacy team, which the Justice Society is very interested in.
I think right now the Mighty Avengers would be the ones they'd be interested. New Avengers are more an anti-government resistance force, and Norman's Dark Avengers...aren't the type the JSA would be interested in.
Does this mean that the JSA would have battled Red Skull and the first Baron Zemo in their heyday?
Does this mean that the JSA would have battled Red Skull and the first Baron Zemo in their heyday?
I thought Marvel had a bunch of WWII heroes; they've just mostly fallen into obscurity. I remember the '90s Spider-Man animated series featured a half-dozen of them in the "Six Forgotten Warriors" arc, and there's a page in Marvels that features a whole bunch more.
Question: How would the Green Lantern Corps deal with Galactus, or vice versa? Or what if Galactus came to Apokolips? (Or what if Apocalypse came to Apokolips?)
Question: How would the Green Lantern Corps deal with Galactus, or vice versa? Or what if Galactus came to Apokolips? (Or what if Apocalypse came to Apokolips?)
It's easy to understand why Hal Jordan and Oliver Queen are assigned to their respective lists. The political sensibilities of Green Lantern and Green Arrow were firmly established way back in the early 1970's, in the classic Green Lantern/Green Arrow stories by Dennis O'Neil & Neal Adams. Hal Jordan was the somewhat ignorant "establishment" guy, and Oliver Queen was the more "enlightened" guy with the liberal views.
These characterizations have stuck. Still, I think it might be unfair to automatically paint Hal Jordan as Pro-Registration. He's been disparaged as an errand boy for the Guardians, but that shouldn't mean he trusts the U.S. Government to same extent. I call for more nuance and less stereotyping when it comes to Hal's views about government and hero registration.
If you retconned such a merger to the very beginnings, some heroes/villains would no longer exist.
Galactus, for example, along with the Hulk and some other really dangerous critters would have all be sent to the Phantom Zone (discovered by Kryptonians, rediscovered by Reed Richards, who accidentally let Zod escape when he first opened the portal).
Punisher killed Joker and was captured in turn by Batman.
The Justice Avengers would be: Superman, The IronBat (see below), Doctor Strange, Phoenix/Jean Gray, Green Lantern, Thor, and Wonder Woman - and yeah, they would basically address planetary threats and would essentially pretty much cover all the bases - physical/psychic/magical threats.
I could see Wayne Corp and Start Industries merging and a hybrid Batman/Ironman emerging, with Bruce being the guy in the armor and Stark doing the inventing and dealing with his personal problems. Maybe throw the FF in there as employees.
Luthor, Doom, Osborne, Kingpin and others form an enhanced Hellfire Club, and essentially work in a quieter fashion towards global domination - opposed by Stark-Wayne Corp, of course, but in a low-key war. I can't imagine these guys being dumb enough to take on the Justice Avengers directly.
I'd pay good money to see Doom and Luthor sit down for a cup of coffee.
The Planet Bugle would be worthy of a book of it's own:
JJJ, publisher
Perry White, Editor in Chief
Robby Robertson, Assistant Editor
Reporters
Clark Kent
Lois Lane
Ben Urich
and other notables I can't remember atm and am too lazy to look up
Photography:
James Olsen
Peter Parker
Just the chemistry involved here would be interesting.
Atlantis is in a state of civil war because Arthur Curry and Namor are both heirs to the Atlantean throne...but who gets it?
Galactus, for example, along with the Hulk and some other really dangerous critters would have all be sent to the Phantom Zone (discovered by Kryptonians, rediscovered by Reed Richards, who accidentally let Zod escape when he first opened the portal).
Punisher killed Joker and was captured in turn by Batman.
The Justice Avengers would be: Superman, The IronBat (see below), Doctor Strange, Phoenix/Jean Gray, Green Lantern, Thor, and Wonder Woman - and yeah, they would basically address planetary threats and would essentially pretty much cover all the bases - physical/psychic/magical threats.
I could see Wayne Corp and Start Industries merging and a hybrid Batman/Ironman emerging, with Bruce being the guy in the armor and Stark doing the inventing and dealing with his personal problems. Maybe throw the FF in there as employees.
Luthor, Doom, Osborne, Kingpin and others form an enhanced Hellfire Club, and essentially work in a quieter fashion towards global domination - opposed by Stark-Wayne Corp, of course, but in a low-key war. I can't imagine these guys being dumb enough to take on the Justice Avengers directly.
I'd pay good money to see Doom and Luthor sit down for a cup of coffee.
The Planet Bugle would be worthy of a book of it's own:
JJJ, publisher
Perry White, Editor in Chief
Robby Robertson, Assistant Editor
Reporters
Clark Kent
Lois Lane
Ben Urich
and other notables I can't remember atm and am too lazy to look up
Photography:
James Olsen
Peter Parker
Just the chemistry involved here would be interesting.
Atlantis is in a state of civil war because Arthur Curry and Namor are both heirs to the Atlantean throne...but who gets it?
Hmm, could make Captain America and the Invaders (right?) one of the many WW2 teams, and an ally of the JSA. Might make things more interesting when Cap is revived and all his friends have aged quite a bit.
Thinking of legacies, I've always been struck by how much Stargirl's costume (and Sly Pemberton before her) has some similarities to Cap's. Would Star-Spangled Kid be another Cap sidekick a la Bucky and would people link Stargirl with Cap, since Starman's I think not as well known?
Get Geoff Johns on it; he could revive them well I think. Both the Marvel and DC universes had several superhero teams running around during WW2, right?
It's been established that Galactus is essential to the nature of the universe in some way, right? As in, getting rid of Galactus would be bad news. I would imagine the Guardians and the New Gods would be aware of this, so they'd probably focus on re-directing Galactus more than stopping him. Maybe the Corps tries to stop Galactus from going after inhabited worlds, or drive him away from them, or help in evacuation if that fails?
I don't think Apocalypse would have much luck against Darkseid. En Sabah Nur's quite the threat, but I've always thought of Darkseid as being a cut above.
I dunno, I think Green Lanterns by and large would be pretty okay with registration. I mean, they're basically interstellar cops and they're all registered with the Guardians, right? They might wanna make sure the information would remain secure or amend it in some ways, but I see the basic concept of registration as being pretty in line with the Corps.
Marvel didn't give me much to work with in the early days. And I was going with continuity to build my line ups. Ms Marvel and She-Hulk were a few years in the future. Though they are "knock off" characters. Invisible Woman and Marvel Girl are otherwise occupied. Scarlet Witch was never in the big leagues. Storm should be an X-Man. Black Widow is another character who's not exactly a big league player.
Who's left? Spider Woman? Captain Marvel/Photon? Mockingbird? (rather have Black Canary) Hellcat? Moondragon?
Not that DC is much better.