somewhere, I don't remember exactly. Maybe in Trek-lit?
David Mack is GUSHING about it...this should settle it
- Thread starter Ensign Ogahd Ahmganadai
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CBS: We've asked critics to hold their reviews until after the pilot has aired. We would prefer plot details that would be revealed there not be let out until viewers have seen them.
Fans: I knew it! They're afraid of bad reviews! This is gonna suck, and I know this because I trust critics. Whatever they say is always true and if they're gonna trash the show, it deserves it.
David Mack: Well, I've seen a great deal of it, even several more episodes into it than critics would have, and I think it's awesome.
Fans: Paid shill!!
Fans: I knew it! They're afraid of bad reviews! This is gonna suck, and I know this because I trust critics. Whatever they say is always true and if they're gonna trash the show, it deserves it.
David Mack: Well, I've seen a great deal of it, even several more episodes into it than critics would have, and I think it's awesome.
Fans: Paid shill!!
So, what exactly is the point of this thread any more? You're clearly stuck in your ways and unwilling to budge and admit that the premise of the thread was faulty and poisoned the well, or that people are only listening to negative reports about DSC, which you've repeated about eight million times now.
If you had just started the thread off by saying David Mack has a positive review of DSC, there still would have been some people wrongly insinuating that he's financially biased or contractually obligated to say that, but it wouldn't have been nearly as contentious as the thread has been since you ridiculously assumed on everyone's behalf that one man's opinion, no matter how educated it may be, settles the issue of whether or not the show will be good.
I just don't see why the thread needs to go on if you're so intractable about this. You're way too high strung about the issue and tend to lash out, you haven't said anything new in pages, and I get the sense that some people are just pushing your buttons at this point because you're easily riled up.
But that's not what most of you are doing. People like Rahul and Kirk5555555(55) are determined to hate it. That's judging it before they've seen it and they are far from alone.
I think my initial post was taken a bit too literally. I thought the intentional hyperbole was obvious but this is the Internet where that kind of thing can get lost. Of course, it still might be bad, but I posted this the way I did for two reasons:
1: most of the Nay-Sayers have been attacking this show because they think it will be a reboot or ignore canon. Mack can tell you different, and I believe him as he has to know canon like the back of his hand.
2: other attacks are based on people believing that because the trailers seem action-heavy, that the entire series will be pew-pew-pew, kill-kill-kill, and Mack would definitely not be excited about a Trek series like that.
Could it still be bad? Sure. Wil it be a reboot or an uber-grim "murderverse" as Rahul put it. No, it won't. And if Mack has settled anything, it's that.
Whilst there is edit that...it is worth pointing out the Macks books have more pew pew and deaths than not. Much more.
Anyway....nearly there now. Time will tell.
While I'll admit his excitement can be contagious (because I really want this to be a great show) all I have to go on is other peoples word that this guy is a great writer who knows his Trek. I've not heard of him before yesterday and then it sounds like he might be friendly with some of the staff writing and producing the show which will obviously tint his viewpoints.
I am slightly more than cautiously optimistic about this show but I have to take this guys opinion with a grain of salt.
I am slightly more than cautiously optimistic about this show but I have to take this guys opinion with a grain of salt.
1) You don't really even know who you're talking to, do you? Not once have I cried about the sky falling on the franchise because Discovery is a reboot or won't respect canon or whatever. I am not concerned about the show at all, in fact I'm quite looking forward to it and have said on many occasions that I would be okay if it were a reboot and that canon should be tossed out the window. But okay, fine. I made fun of you and now I'm a click-bait believing fanatic convinced the dusk of the Trek franchise is at hand. I see how this works.
In fact, find one post of mine anywhere on this forum where I have spoken negatively about this show and I'll let you have your cookie. Find one post, and I will personally send a PM to David Mack telling him how cool a guy you are, since apparently his opinion means the world to you.
2) I am well aware of David Mack's credentials, both as a novelist and as a Star Trek fan, and if he says he likes what he's seen, I believe him. But he is in the end one person, and the fact of the matter is, as an author of the show's tie-in novel being released almost immediately after the pilot, he does have a horse in this race. Just because he says he likes the show doesn't "settle" anything.
3) My post was a fucking joke. You don't need to think it's funny, and I admit I was making fun of you so I can understand it if you want to give me some attitude, but this reaction is way too over the top.
It is generally considered a bad omen for a movie or TV show to not allow advance reviews, or requests the publishing of reviews be withheld until after release/air date. And there enough precedents of this being done for movies and shows that ended up being failures to make this more than superstition.
So, you basically had no need to attack, as we tend to agree, but did anyway. Got it.
I'm relatively new to these boards (at least, after a long time away) and I have still seen the "it's gonna break canon" and "it's a reboot" comments and it definitely seemed that you were siding with those people.
Again, my central point is that most of the concerns voiced by most fans (that it's a reboot or that it will ignore canon or that the people behind it don't care about Trek or whatever) seem to be unfounded based on the fact that I seriously doubt Mack would be as excited about it if any of that were true.
It might still have bad writing or something. It absolutely won't appeal to all fans. But the accusations listed above seem to be completely baseless.
Yeah it really worked out horribly for HBO when they placed such embargos on:
Westworld (highly praised in the end, multiple Emmy nods, getting a second season)
and
Game of Thrones (Season 7) <--- Ended up getting some of the highest viewership ratings for the season too.
And it's NOT that CBS isn't screening the first two ST: D episodes for critics (they've having two Press pre-screenings; they're just stipulating no reviews publically released until after the first episode airs. If CBS was not allowing reviewers to screen the episodes at all -- THEN I'd be concerned.
I made a joke at your expense. While you are not required to like it, it was not an "attack" on you.
These are the previous posts I made in this thread before your accusatory post:
What is in those posts that makes it seem like I'm worried canon is being violated by a reboot? Hell, the words canon and reboot aren't even in those two posts.
I'm about as positive I can be based on what I've seen. It just feels small and solemn based on the trailers and information we're getting from the producers. Between the Klingons, Mudd, Sarek and now a Mirror universe episode, I'm beginning to wonder if there's actually going to be any original concepts that we haven't seen before in Trek?
Fungal space sounds original, although we've had fluidic space. I mean, it sounds original, but whether it's a particularly good idea is another matter.
It really sounds like something that belongs in The Orville. Not because it is a terrible concept, but because from what I'm seeing, it will be super serious life or death space mushrooms.
What?
Well I don't know about anyone else but David's review has calmed me down immensely. I was legit worried when word of the embargo went around. Not worried so much anymore.
'Shrooms from subspace, baby! A different way to fly. Or at least trip.
