Money violates Gene's Vision (tm).In Soviet Russia, Star Trek pays you.
Kor
David Mack is GUSHING about it...this should settle it
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Kor
Kirk even said "a considerable amount of money", so he wasn't just talking about an investment of time.Not his original vision of the 23rd Century...IE Federation Credits, and NUMEROUS episodes talking about "How much Starfleet has invested..." in various things, etc.
David Mack did say he thought that this would be the best first season of Trek ever, correct?
For me, it isn't starting out that way...
For me, it isn't starting out that way...
Strictly on first seasons, it is for me. Although it will have to ramp up quickly to beat TOS season 1 overall.
I have a sneaky suspicion though that he wasn't including TOS in that reference. We often don't count it as a 'first season' when discussing Trek's poor record at first seasons. I could easily see this being the best first season of a spin-off.
Only popping in to say that one person's opinion is just that, and that it should have no effect on what other people think. No one is "qualified" to proclaim something universally fantastic.
Personally I think it had a stronger opening two hours than any spinoff with the possible exception of DS9. I think people forget that TNG had a very weak opening, and that every series other than the first have had very weak first seasons overall. Usually weak second ones as well.
His exact quote: "Want to know my prediction for what's coming on @starrekcbs? Here it is: THE BEST FIRST SEASON OF A STAR TREK SERIES, =EVER=. 5/13"
I know that watching the first season of TOS (via reruns) grabbed me, shook my world and had me from that point as a Trek fan. And that was right from WNMHGB (Channel 17 at one point showed them in production order).
DSC didn't do that yet. So for me, TOS still has the best first season of a Star Trek series, =EVER=.
The thing is, he didn't even see the completed episodes until after the screening on the 19th. So I consider his earlier opinion... incomplete.
I haven't forgotten. Farpoint for all its flaws (and they are many) was still more enjoyable, IMO.
I don't know if I can, but I suspect your analysis is otherwise correct.
All things considered, Enterprise's first season actually wasn't that bad. There was certainly room for improvement, but as first seasons go, especially for the modern series, Enterprise's might have been one of the better ones.
Enterprise's second season was awful, though. Easily the worst of all Star Trek.
Enterprise's second season was awful, though. Easily the worst of all Star Trek.
Yeah. Enteprise Season 2 was mediocrity personified. They cut back on almost everything that made the first season work. The ratings crashed and burned. "Carbon Creek" is still wonderful, though, and other episodes like "Dead Stop" and "The Expanse" are pretty good.
I prefer it to Voyager's second season. But both are rough tides, and... you know, honestly, if it weren't for the back third of DS9 S2, I'd argue that Trek spinoffs haven't gotten truly good until their third years.
Oof. Glad I'm enjoying Discovery so far, because the new era cannot afford to hit so many walls in this age of peak TV and so many viewing options.
I prefer it to Voyager's second season. But both are rough tides, and... you know, honestly, if it weren't for the back third of DS9 S2, I'd argue that Trek spinoffs haven't gotten truly good until their third years.
Oof. Glad I'm enjoying Discovery so far, because the new era cannot afford to hit so many walls in this age of peak TV and so many viewing options.
When do we get to the best part? After the first two episodes? It is its own beast at the moment, murky and trying to get a hold of a direction, a 'mission statement'. I feel like I watched background material and I'm waiting for the star ship Discovery to save the day. A dead Captain, an erratic lead character, and a 'where is it' flag ship is a heavy going start. Funny child like reaction but in the past I'd watch Star Trek and would want to be literally on board any of the star ships. I haven't got that feeling at all yet.
He did have access to all the scripts though.
Yes, I know it isn't the same as watching the final product, but its more of an impression then we have.
The first two episodes haven't exactly filled me with confidence. Have to wait and see how next week's episode plays out.
I'm going to pay for CBSAA for another couple of months whether I get into Discovery or not because of a few other (older) shows I can catch. So they'll have most of the first half of this season to reel me in.
After watching the first episode, I'm ready for them to cue Riker and Troi so they can skip to a better holonovel.
