David Fincher's The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo

[Admiral_Young]

Mikeal and Lisbeth's separation is designed specifically to make you want them together again, to create build up and anticipation of seeing them again. This is a repeated theme throughout the trilogy. They're not meant to be typical partners or lovers. I think this is what makes their relationship so unique compared to other literary and cinematic couples. Both of them end up cherishing their friendship but both are acutely aware that they wouldn't be a very good couple despite their obvious feelings for one another.

 

[Ryan]

Also for what it's worth Larson was strongly against violence against women. He hated it.

I haven't read the book but the movie certainly has no problem using the sexual abuse of women as a plot device not once but twice. And of course there are all the murders of dozens of women on top of that.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Again that's taken from the book...which is Larrson's commentary on violence against women. Both films explore the graphic nature of this, which is why it is so uncomfortable for people to watch. You're supposed to feel this way.

 

[WillsBabe]

I enjoyed parts of it. I enjoyed parts of the Swedish language version. There's never going to be a perfect ink to celluloid transition but I think both versions have things to recommend them. For what it's worth I prefer Rooney's Salander and Nvqvist's Blomqvist.

 

[T'Baio]

Also for what it's worth Larson was strongly against violence against women. He hated it.

I haven't read the book but the movie certainly has no problem using the sexual abuse of women as a plot device not once but twice. And of course there are all the murders of dozens of women on top of that.

Did you enjoy those scenes? Think "this is awesome" or get off on them?

Or did you feel absolutely terrible watching them, and feel your heart ripped open for Lisbeth?

Portraying something is not the same as glamourizing something.

 

[JarodRussell]

Also for what it's worth Larson was strongly against violence against women. He hated it.

I haven't read the book but the movie certainly has no problem using the sexual abuse of women as a plot device not once but twice. And of course there are all the murders of dozens of women on top of that.

Did you enjoy those scenes? Think "this is awesome" or get off on them?

Or did you feel absolutely terrible watching them, and feel your heart ripped open for Lisbeth?

Portraying something is not the same as glamourizing something.

Well, these scenes tell a lot more about the audience than about the filmmaker. If you enjoy them, something is terribly wrong with you. If you are disgusted, it's a normal reaction.

 

[marillion]

I will probably see this during the holiday weekend and am looking forward to it.. I have already decided, however, that I will probably need to see it twice as I'm afraid there will be too much time spent during the first viewing, comparing it to the original, and finding faults.

I've been wanting to watch the original again, but have had to resist.. It's been a while, which I think is probably a good thing, going into the new film.

 

[WillsBabe]

I'm afraid there will be too much time spent during the first viewing, comparing it to the original, and finding faults.

Just out of interest, do you go into all films anticipating that you will be finding faults?

 

[marillion]

^^ No, no.. Not at all.. My point was that I'm such a fan of the original movie, that I suspect that I'll be finding faults by way of comparison, almost involuntarily.

In fact, I'm one who almost never finds faults when I see a show unless they're aggregeous (See "Wild Wild West").. I'm not much of a stereotypical fan boy and I almost never see plot holes, at least on first viewing..

 

[WillsBabe]

^^ No, no.. Not at all.. My point was that I'm such a fan of the original movie, that I suspect that I'll be finding faults by way of comparison, almost involuntarily.

I hope that you enjoy the English language version. I liked the Sweedish language version, but I enjoyed the "remake" too.

 

[Corwwyn]

^^ No, no.. Not at all.. My point was that I'm such a fan of the original movie, that I suspect that I'll be finding faults by way of comparison, almost involuntarily.

I hope that you enjoy the English language version. I liked the Sweedish language version, but I enjoyed the "remake" too.

You realize that the Sweedish[sic] movie is available in an excellently done English dub also?

Highly recommended.

 

[tomalak301]

I really liked this movie, except for one thing. I had a Lord of the Rings: Return of the King moment in the final half hour wondering if this movie was ever going to end. I know it's probably all about tying up loose ends, but this movie was already long and the end did feel tacked on.

 

[T'Baio]

The end was partly about Lisbeth doing something major for Mikael. She didn't just buy him a jacket.

 

[the G-man]

Portraying something is not the same as glamourizing something.

Well, these scenes tell a lot more about the audience than about the filmmaker. If you enjoy them, something is terribly wrong with you...

Both excellent points. I would note, however, that if a director is not as talented as David Fincher, he or she might inadvertently glamorize something he didn't mean to (see, eg, Zack Snyder's insistence that "Suckerpunch" was meant as a comment against exploitation of women)

 

[Admiral_Young]

"Sucker Punch" was a commentary against exploitation of women and women empowering themselves to fight against it. It is a matter of audience understanding in my opinion...but then I am in a minority who really enjoyed "Sucker Punch" and understood what Snyder was going for as I've made the point several times in the "Sucker Punch" thread. "Sucker Punch" though wasn't an adaptation of anyone else's work though. So perhaps to further the point originally made it takes a good filmmaker to understand the author's stance on these issues and then depict them in the film. I dunno. I'm rambling now lol.

Sigh. I still haven't had a chance to see this yet. Hopefully will get a chance to sometime this week.

 

[marillion]

So I saw it and I really, really enjoyed it. There were some omissions, yes, but none that made me enjoy the movie less. I can see why the ending of the Harriet Vanger plot line was dramatically changed/simplified in the new version. IMHO, had they stayed completely true, the movie REALLY would have gone too long.

When I left the theatre after seeing the original (not dubbed), I found myself wishing they had gone into more detail with what Lisbeth did after the Vanger affair, so in was really pleased they added it to the new version. My wife, who has not read the book felt it went on a bit long, but I probably would have too, had I not known the material.

The only thing really missing for me, which I can assume will be gone into in the second film, was more of Lisbeth's backstory.

 

[the G-man]

"Sucker Punch" was a commentary against exploitation of women and women empowering themselves to fight against it. It is a matter of audience understanding in my opinion...

If the director can't make his audience understand what his movie was intended to be that isn't the audience's fault.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I don't want to turn this thread into another "Sucker Punch" debate but yeah I agree with you that the director should better convey his ideas and intentions. I just personally think though Synder managed to do this better than most gave him credit for. We can agree to disagree. As I said I know I'm in the minority regarding "Sucker Punch".

@marillion yeah we get heavily into Lisbeth's past in "The Girl Who Played With Fire".

 

[marillion]

^^ Meant to add that i'm with you about Suckerpunch.. Love that movie..

 

[Admiral_Young]

Seems like Sony still wants Fincher to make the sequels despite the under performing box office success of "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo".

http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Dragon-Tattoo-Sequels-Still-Books-Says-Sony-28606.html