Bastards. How dare they?
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How dare they repeatedly fail? Yes, I agree they're bastards for that.
I might be one of the few people on the planet that didn't hate this film. It wasn't a good movie necessarily, but I didn't consider it absolute trash either. I liked the X-Men uniforms, I thought it had some interesting twists, like the X-Men being embraced by the masses and the aliens/Jessica Chastain's first scene was very chilling. I still wish she had been Cassandra Nova. It's just the budget was so lacking, and the script wasn't that good. The movie felt cheap and creatively exhausted, and it sucks because the cast deserved better, especially as what turned out to be a sendoff.
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I kind of touched on this earlier, as far as the ten-year time jumps. I see it only making literal chronological sense with FC and DOFP. Then the next two are more like loose "broad strokes" follow-ups almost the way "Superman Returns" was a follow-up/sort of sequel to Superman The Movie and Superman II. To me they're almost like "what if" scenarios of "let's see what our heroes would be like if this happened in the 1980s, and now the 1990s" with nobody substantially aging, just like you see over the course of decades in printed comics with their floating/sliding continuities. It's like the cast is an acting troupe performing in a number of plays, except in this case they're playing the same characters dropped into different timeframes.
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I enjoy the first trilogy and there are elements of Dark Phoenix that were good - the choreography and set pieces were great. But the characterisation was terrible. Because the writers had no plan for the rebooted series of movies, it meanders and contradicts itself, almost like every movie is set in a separate alternate reality.
There was no foreshadowing or effort to explain that the rise of Apocalypse must be as a result of the changes to the timeline from DoFP, otherwise the encounter would have taken place before X1, and no way could those amateurs have beaten Apocalypse. They squandered Angel's only decent storyline for shallow special effects, not that it was the same guy, who should have been aged about 8 at the time the movie was set. They took names of characters and applied them to characters who bore only a superficial resemblance to their comic counterparts and tried to mimic Civil War by having X-men vs X-men. Apocalypse was a poorly implemented super villain.
In order to do justice to the Dark Phoenix story an entire B-plot needs to be given over to Jean's descent into madness before moving into Dark Phoenix. We've seen that as Marvel Girl is is largely crap and then as Phoenix she rocks. THEN in the next movie they need to make her go cray cray. The only point of the story is to tug at our heart strings and we have to care about the characters to do that. X3 almost got there.
Far better for me would have been if Phoenix awoke Apocalypse in X3 and X4 focused on the Marauders setting out to help recruit the Horsemen of Apocalypse to capitalise on Angel's appearance. Then X5 and X6 could have been about trying to defeat Apocalypse, culminating in the Cable providing the revelation that both Scott and Jean are alive and in the hands of Sinister. Apocalypse isn't Thanos but they could had had some fun with him as a proper big bad.
There was no foreshadowing or effort to explain that the rise of Apocalypse must be as a result of the changes to the timeline from DoFP, otherwise the encounter would have taken place before X1, and no way could those amateurs have beaten Apocalypse. They squandered Angel's only decent storyline for shallow special effects, not that it was the same guy, who should have been aged about 8 at the time the movie was set. They took names of characters and applied them to characters who bore only a superficial resemblance to their comic counterparts and tried to mimic Civil War by having X-men vs X-men. Apocalypse was a poorly implemented super villain.
In order to do justice to the Dark Phoenix story an entire B-plot needs to be given over to Jean's descent into madness before moving into Dark Phoenix. We've seen that as Marvel Girl is is largely crap and then as Phoenix she rocks. THEN in the next movie they need to make her go cray cray. The only point of the story is to tug at our heart strings and we have to care about the characters to do that. X3 almost got there.
Far better for me would have been if Phoenix awoke Apocalypse in X3 and X4 focused on the Marauders setting out to help recruit the Horsemen of Apocalypse to capitalise on Angel's appearance. Then X5 and X6 could have been about trying to defeat Apocalypse, culminating in the Cable providing the revelation that both Scott and Jean are alive and in the hands of Sinister. Apocalypse isn't Thanos but they could had had some fun with him as a proper big bad.
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