Spoilers Dark PhoeniX - Review and Discussion Thread
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So, if they'd only made 3 Iron Man movies and never bothered building the rest of the MCU it would've been fine and not a giant waste of what could've been something better?
You may as well say the X-Men comics should've stopped after the first 12 issues or so back in the 60s.
Heck, the DOFP movie itself sets up a continuation hook right at the end with Mystique rescuing Logan and then gives us that silly fairy tale sappiness in the future scenes because the writers couldn't let go of X2.
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Yes.
So you're into thinking small and having no ambitions or bigger approaches.
I'm in to stories ending when there is no more story to tell. If they return to x2 that's is what that says.
Ambition is fine but ambition without discipline is unappealing. Tell the story you want. To hell with making bigger. Make the right size.
Fans of the source material know better. If the FoX-Men kept going back to X2 it's because they're too incompetent to think beyond that. Outdated thinking we're all better off without.
By that logic, Dr No should've been the one and only James Bond film ever. And Star Wars should've just been ANH. And Indiana Jones should've just been "Raiders of the Lost Ark".
IE, we "should" have missed out on lots of great stuff in the same of "thinking small".
Except, I'm not a fan of the source material and the elitism snobbish attitude that is expressed by comic books fans makes it clear that stopping reading comics at 11 was my best choice. Because, the point of a movie is to draw in an audience rather than rely upon prefabricated styles that were designed to sell a comic week after week. See, the idea of "bigger" storytelling is actual rather cynical. See, it assumes that the audience will leave unless you keep throwing something out there to make the story continue, rather than telling a story to its natural conclusion. That's the thinking that I have.
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe those people's lives would have been more positive when they were not killing themselves to give us "bigger." See, this my view. People matter more than entertainment, which means give me smaller if the story comes to a natural conclusion, and is satisfying to the audience, not satisfying some arbitary standard of "bigger," which comes across as "make the story overly long regardless of natural conclusion."
Which many franchises have suffered from, because they don't believe the audience will buy something new.
Cyclops is supposed to get it on with Colleen Wing, so it's a shame he didn't do a guest spot on Iron Fist.
Meanwhile did Jean Grey have any cool stories with Wolvesbane that could gave been utilised to mobilize the few remaining game of thrones fans?
Meanwhile did Jean Grey have any cool stories with Wolvesbane that could gave been utilised to mobilize the few remaining game of thrones fans?
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Well, yeah: First Class ended by teasing us with the rise of Magneto in all his youthful, villainous glory. Then he was largely sidelined with a decade-long imprisonment subplot/backstory in DoFP, but we forgave that, because A) DoFP was a great movie, and B) it ended by promising us, once again, that Magneto was loose - and this time around, he wouldn't bother hiding from the global public at all!
Apocalypse made a lot of confounding mistakes, but having Erik retire offscreen in order to live an anonymous, blue-collar family life all because he met some charming woman at some point was perhaps the most serious one, as that bad choice directly informed all the other bad choices built upon it.
And why they kept doing 10 year jumps never made any sense either.
^I might have been able to accept that if they'd made the actors appear appropriately older (fashion changes notwithstanding), or even implied that as mutants they aged more slowly (not quite sure whether my suspension of disbelief could have handled that, but it would have been an effort at least).
If Dark Phoenix is supposed to be a decade after Apocalypse, though (dunno, haven't seen it!), then that doesn't make much sense at all to me, because for the level of power Jean was demonstrating in the latter film, I'd expect her power to become problematic much sooner.
If Dark Phoenix is supposed to be a decade after Apocalypse, though (dunno, haven't seen it!), then that doesn't make much sense at all to me, because for the level of power Jean was demonstrating in the latter film, I'd expect her power to become problematic much sooner.
The decade jump to First Class worked for that story, by mirroring the dissolved X-Men with the disillusionment of Nixon and Vietnam. Similarly, a decade's jump to Apocalypse could have worked just fine, if they'd used the intervening time to build up Magneto's army/island nation, and use that to mirror Reagan's rah-rah militarism. Instead, the bulk of the movie's 80s references were contained to an unimportant mall scene that was mostly cut.
And then they brought back Moira, for little to no reason, and have HER look exactly the same and just say "You look good for your age".
I don't think you'd do well as a Hollywood exec
The need? The need is for money. Profit. Hollywood movies aren't for the art, it's a business. And business' want to make money. And it goes on and on and on. And that they did. It's really simple.
That's not a need. That's a want.I don't think you'd do well as a Hollywood exec
The need? The need is for money. Profit. Hollywood movies aren't for the art, it's a business. And business' want to make money. And it goes on and on and on. And that they did. It's really simple.
Sorry, it's the pedantic in me but the flagrant misuse of the term "need" is amazing in it's common use.
Also, how dare businesses want to make money. Don't they remember when artists were commissioned by royalty? Those artists were definitely not paid
Ay yeah fair enough. Well you know what I mean. I mean like as in a drug addict would "need" more.
I get that, and you're right, I would make a poor Hollywood executive, both literally and figuratively.
But, the thing of it is, if money is the goal than developing a plan for the franchise is important. But, as the other poster was noting, they kept returning back to a particular ending, indicating that was the height of accomplishment for that particular series, so time to move on.
For me, and this is the old literary fan in me, a series can be as long as a story will sustain it. If the story repeats itself then it probably isn't able to sustain a series. So, let the stories stand on their own and go on to a new series to make the money.
But, that's me. I'd be fine if we had less series and more one offs.
It's more that they kept saying "This is the ending we wanted before we do our REAL conclusion"...
...And failed, repeatedly.
Whatever helps people sleep at night...
They reset it to X2's ending because that's when they wanted to do their Dark Phoenix story back in 2005 or so. Then they did it again here so they could have a chance of redoing that story...but they botched that by doing Apocalypse.
So yeah, repeated botch job
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