Spoilers Dark PhoeniX - Review and Discussion Thread

[Pauln6]

V-E-R-Y broadly. As in, the end of DoFP is ignored. Someone is there who shouldn't be, now.

Not that stuff like that ever bothered the X-Men

Not ignored (or at least not if you are talking about who I think you're talking about). Quite far from it. They just didn't spell out how they got from point A to point Z.

It's probably less of a stretch than explaining how Siryn exists as a school girl in X2 if Banshee died prior to 1973 or how Caliban and Moira change nationality, or WTF is going on with Angel's age.

 

[Tosk]

It's probably less of a stretch than explaining how Siryn exists as a school girl in X2 if Banshee died prior to 1973 or how Caliban and Moira change nationality, or WTF is going on with Angel's age.

Jubilee never seems to age either, and Emma Frost actually gets younger. And strangely, Victor Creed and Sabretooth might actually be different people.

 

[Pauln6]

Jubilee never seems to age either, and Emma Frost actually gets younger. And strangely, Victor Creed and Sabretooth might actually be different people.

Jubilee must have been kept back a year for fifteen years. Too much time spent as a mall rat.

That's the problem with doing 'cool' cameos for fans but not respecting the characters. Angel's power of flight is awesome if you compare it to Jean and Magneto's leaden levitation or Storm's clumsy colums of air but as soon as you casually make them faster and more manoeuvrable because, 'wouldn't it be cool if...' you strip him of his niche and he gets relegated to being 'pigeon wings'.

 

[Set Harth]

Jubilee never seems to age either, and Emma Frost actually gets younger.

IIRC they walked back that Emma being Emma Frost almost immediately. Makes sense because she displayed no telepathic ability whatsoever.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Is it really that hard to believe that there are different Mutants with similar, even exact same mutations? If Mutants are really a next step in evolution there would have to be repetition until weeded out by natural selection.

On screen we are told the flashback with young Jean Grey is 20 years before the main events of The Last Stand. But I think it’s best to assume it’s 25 or 30 before.

 

[Tosk]

IIRC ty walked back that Emma being Emma Frost almost immediately. Makes sense because she displayed no telepathic ability whatsoever.

Not like it matters, the Scott Summers standing next to her is quite a bit older than the next version anyway.

Is it really that hard to believe that there are different Mutants with similar, even exact same mutations?

No, it's not hard. But it's also not hard to make fun of the times they clearly started over with the same characters again. Origins is best left ignored anyway, it's one of the biggest X-offenders when it comes to continuity and it's just terrible in general. (They gave Blob a tattoo just for the stupid fat lady joke, even though he has unbreakable skin? Lame!)

On screen we are told the flashback with young Jean Grey is 20 years before the main events of The Last Stand.

The two events aren't compatible anyway. Last Stand Jean is still a little girl in the mid-'80s and both parents are alive and well.

 

[Pauln6]

Not like it matters, the Scott Summers standing next to her is quite a bit older than the next version anyway.

No, it's not hard. But it's also not hard to make fun of the times they clearly started over with the same characters again. Origins is best left ignored anyway, it's one of the biggest X-offenders when it comes to continuity and it's just terrible in general. (They gave Blob a tattoo just for the stupid fat lady joke, even though he has unbreakable skin? Lame!)

The two events aren't compatible anyway. Last Stand Jean is still a little girl in the mid-'80s and both parents are alive and well.

Her father could have re-married, or making mutants more high profile could have led them to treat their daughter differently.

 

[Set Harth]

Origins is best left ignored anyway, it's one of the biggest X-offenders when it comes to continuity

It's funny how subsequent films kept not ignoring it at various times.

 

[Tosk]

It's funny how subsequent films kept not ignoring it at various times.

I know, it's annoying.
...But just like the other movies, sometimes they ignore it and sometimes they don't.

 

[DigificWriter]

IIRC they walked back that Emma being Emma Frost almost immediately. Makes sense because she displayed no telepathic ability whatsoever.

They didn't "walk back" anything with Origins: Wolverine and that film's Emma character, since she was only referred to as "Emma Frost" in non-Canonical marketing; the film itself never referred to her as anything other than "Emma", but also made it clear that her last name would have been Silverfox through the establishment of her sisterly relationship to Kayla Silverfox.

the end of DoFP is ignored.

This is not correct.

There are about 2 decades between the conclusion of Dark Phoenix and the 2023 "good ending" of Days of Future Past, and Dark Phoenix pretty clearly shows - in its closing moments - that Jean's death isn't permanent anyway, leaving the door wide open for her to return at some point in said 20 years.

 

[Set Harth]

They didn't "walk back" anything with Origins: Wolverine and that film's Emma character, since she was only referred to as "Emma Frost" in non-Canonical marketing

They intended her to be Emma Frost at first but walked it back later. People usually take trailers at their word.

 

[DigificWriter]

They intended her to be Emma Frost at first but walked it back later.

I disagree, as do the producers of the film and franchise overall.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is it really that hard to believe that there are different Mutants with similar, even exact same mutations? If Mutants are really a next step in evolution there would have to be repetition until weeded out by natural selection.

On screen we are told the flashback with young Jean Grey is 20 years before the main events of The Last Stand. But I think it’s best to assume it’s 25 or 30 before.

A million years ago the Celestials split cavemen into 3 refined species.

Deviants, Eternals and and humans who would start to mutate near round abouts when the baby celestial planted deep under the Earth was ready to sprout. Mutants are a guard dog to protect the baby.

The active Mutant Gene is by design, not evolution.

Two things...

1. When the baby is born, the Earth will crack like an egg.

2. That's what Galactus really eats when he chows down on a planet: Baby Celestials.

All this is draw from a book/Mini Series called Earth X, which tied together a lot of cool stuff from really old comics.

Unimportantly, Inhumans showed up 30 thousand years ago, when the Kree started banging monkeys. Or more likely just had a really big factory where they mass inseminated 10s of thousands of moderately early man with Kree DNA, and a weakness for Terrigen.

 

[Set Harth]

I disagree, as do the producers of the film and franchise overall.

They disagree with the factual, historical reality that she was advertised as Emma Frost in the trailer? I don't think so.

 

[Tosk]

It's pretty obvious the girl in Origins was Emma Frost until she wasn't. Regardless of when they changed their minds, it seems a bit silly to pretend that she was never intended to be a version of the Emma Frost character at all.

 

[Pauln6]

Psylocke has been billed as Psylocke in two movies despite the fact that neither character was really Psylocke so, there's that.

 

[Garak]

I think it's safe to say that with the exception of a few movies, the entire X-Men franchise has been a bit of a disaster and fairly lacking

Really glad it's time to shut it down and reboot within the Marvel Universe

 

[Booji]

I think it's safe to say that with the exception of a few movies, the entire X-Men franchise has been a bit of a disaster and fairly lacking

Really glad it's time to shut it down and reboot within the Marvel Universe

X1, X2, DOFP, FC, Logan & The Wolverine are all, at a minimum, very good. X3, Origins, Apocalypse, and Phoenix range from ok popcorn flick to shite. That's still a really good batting average.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

X1, X2, DOFP, FC, Logan & The Wolverine are all, at a minimum, very good. X3, Origins, Apocalypse, and Phoenix range from ok popcorn flick to shite. That's still a really good batting average.

Agreed on all of that, although I maintain Dark Phoenix is more than just a popcorn flick (but I accept I'm in the minority on that point).

Honestly, I don't really care about the continuity. If you squint at it just right, it works and that's fine by me. What matters are the stories and the characters and those films in the first group all excelled in that regard

 

[F. King Daniel]

I think it's safe to say that with the exception of a few movies, the entire X-Men franchise has been a bit of a disaster and fairly lacking

Really glad it's time to shut it down and reboot within the Marvel Universe

Speak for yourself, I've thoroughly enjoyed Fox's X-Men franchise from beginning to end