Spoilers Dark PhoeniX - Review and Discussion Thread

[Guy Gardener]

Where the #### was the Hellfire club?

They got used up in first class?

In Oldman Wolverine, Emma Frost was using her telepathy to shave 30 years off her appearance... Emma VonDoom?

 

[Anwar]

Where the #### was the Hellfire club?

They got used up in first class?

Yep, and Singer went and killed them all off in DOFP because he doesn't like writing about anyone but Magneto and Xavier and Logan if need be.

 

[Tosk]

Singer went and killed them all off in DOFP because he doesn't like writing about anyone but Magneto and Xavier and Logan if need be.

Singer didn't write DOFP. It was written by some of the same people who wrote First Class. Not to mention, Singer did have story credit on First Class but not DOFP. So...

 

[Anwar]

Singer didn't write DOFP. It was written by some of the same people who wrote First Class. Not to mention, Singer did have story credit on First Class but not DOFP. So...

He directed it though, he'd have the say to have them not be killed if he'd cared.

 

[Booji]

He directed it though, he'd have the say to have them not be killed if he'd cared.

Wasn't he incognito for a bunch of it and Kindberg took over?

 

[The Wormhole]

MIB International's problem is that they didn't market it well and make it clear it's just a continuation of the prior movies with 2 new agents.

Trailers made that clear enough for me.

 

[JoeZhang]

I thought the bigger problem was that it looked crap.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Since Jennifer was clearly out of there and never coming back they should have rendered the last drop of bloody milk out of her teet before she ran away.

Raven "Jean is like a girl on fire! She's the girl on fire!"

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[Samurai8472]

Kinberg blames himself for the disappointing box office numbers

https://www.kcrw.com/culture/shows/...imon-kinberg-on-the-dark-fate-of-dark-phoenix

Kinberg acknowledged that when a movie doesn’t work, there’s a lot of finger pointing, but said ultimately it comes down to him: “I’m here, I’m saying when a movie doesn’t work, put it on me. I’m the writer-director, the movie didn’t connect with audiences, that’s on me.”

 

[Turtletrekker]

That's very big of him, and indeed largely accurate. However, this movie had any number of things going against it right from the start.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

It is big of him, especially since his writing has had major issues in the past, too. That said, I still argue that this film is largely good and that I agree that film had other factors running against it.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

After I saw it with a friend, we agreed that the biggest issue of the film was the characters either forced or non-existent motivations which could switch on a whim to do what the plot demands.

 

[Tosk]

For his faults as a writer and/or director, I give him big points for his awareness and ownership of the film.

Especially this quote: "...If the lesson you’ve learned is that you had the wrong date or you didn’t have good marketing--that’s not a lesson.”

Far too many members of Hollywood grasp at desperate answers to why their project failed, as though it couldn't possibly be the film itself. You can't fight disinterest.

 

[Guy Gardener]

When Scott dropped down into the undercarriage and plugged his face into the ship to optic blast into space, it reminded me of that dumb punching cannon from legends of the rangers.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

When Scott dropped down into the undercarriage and plugged his face into the ship to optic blast into space, it reminded me of that dumb punching cannon from legends of the rangers.

I thought it was going to be a clever way to power a maneuvering system of the jet to navigate space.
It wad just to blow something up.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is it possible that THIS... 20 seconds on camera as Dazzler, was a carrot offered to Halston Stage to grease her removal from The Orville? They had to have lied to the woman and say that her part in the movie was going to be larger, or there's a 30 minute Dazzler movie on the cutting room floor.

 

[Set Harth]

However, this movie had any number of things going against it right from the start.

Confirmation bias is a thing. When people are determined to hate something in advance, they're gonna hate it.

 

[Dick Whitman]

It is big of him, especially since his writing has had major issues in the past, too. That said, I still argue that this film is largely good and that I agree that film had other factors running against it.

I suspect that while he means what he says it’s a classy move that potentially sets himself up for work in the future. People in the business know the other factors that worked against him and the movie. Blaming Fox and Disney publicly is not going to help him at all.

Apples and Oranges but a huge factor in James Gunn getting rehired by Disney was how well he handled his firing publicly. It was totally unjustified but if he went on social media rage against Disney he never would have got it back. Plus other studios like Warner Bros likely would have been wary of working with him either.

Not saying he will work with Marvel at Disney. But clearly he has the respect of his cast who know what he was dealing with. Some of which are A list who could get him work in the future.

I saw it a second time. My original vote was a B. I would up it to a B+. There are gaps in the story and writing I wish were explored more. But this was a very well directed movie.

 

[Samurai8472]

That's very big of him, and indeed largely accurate. However, this movie had any number of things going against it right from the start.

Live and learn and he's clearly learned with his humility.

First movie he directed facing alot of pressure and stress. Some of it was out of his hands like the looming handover of FOX to Disney

He could have gone the other way and went on a tirade like Josh Trank.

 

[The Wormhole]

Is it possible that THIS... 20 seconds on camera as Dazzler, was a carrot offered to Halston Stage to grease her removal from The Orville?

No. Dark Phoenix filmed from June to October 2017.The Orville didn't get renewed for a second season until November of 2017, with filming beginning at the end of February 2018. Meaning Halston Sage's decision to leave would have been made at some point in between, which would be well after Dark Phoenix was finished filming.