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Dark Matter Season 3

Does this absolutely confirm no known aliens in the Dark Matter galaxy? 600 years in the past and the only place they could go for food and supplies was Earth? No other option was even mentioned
 
Does this absolutely confirm no known aliens in the Dark Matter galaxy? 600 years in the past and the only place they could go for food and supplies was Earth? No other option was even mentioned

To be specific, Earth was the only known habitable world they could reach within the range of their available fuel and supplies. So, the only world within a certain distance of Pollux that had a biosphere and a technological civilization.

But they've gone two and a half seasons without ever mentioning aliens except as a myth in the first episode. Why would this suddenly make it an issue?
 
They went that long without visiting Earth at all, so obviously new things about the galaxy can pop up. Hell, first season people were trying to fit Dark Matter and Killjoys into the same universe. Anything can happen.
 
They went that long without visiting Earth at all, so obviously new things about the galaxy can pop up.

They visited Earth last year, when they went to Dwarf Star HQ to get Two's new nanites.

And the DM galaxy has been settled far more extensively than the limited area they were able to reach without resupply; there have been references indicating that colonized space spans most of the galaxy (which is one of the reasons I was expecting the show to be much further in the future than 600 years, since it should take millennia to expand colonization that far even with FTL). So if there were aliens, it would've come up by now.
 
New episode tonight
Built, Not Born
TV Guide said:
A distress call from the Android's friend, Victor, leads to answers about Two's past.
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Well we now have more backstory for two (building on what's been shown before) and backstory for the Android (or will they call her Suki fro now on?).

Though I'm wondering if there's still more of two's backstory to come. We've Rebecca and we've seen Two but where does the Portia Lin part come in?

Was she always there after the augmentation and the relationship with Dr Shaw a calming and controlling influence for Rebecca but without we got the woman who took the Raza by killing most of her crew.
 
Suki!!
I loved Boon continuing his meal while Portia demolished everybody around him. :lol:

So - Rebecca/Portia/2 is what - an advanced android? Or an enhanced human?
 
Suki!!
I loved Boon continuing his meal while Portia demolished everybody around him. :lol:

So - Rebecca/Portia/2 is what - an advanced android? Or an enhanced human?

She's an advanced human with her augmentation coming from the nanites.

After Dark showed a clip from next week's ep where the find more nanite augmented humans and Two comments they are just like her.
 
Well we now have more backstory for two (building on what's been shown before) and backstory for the Android (or will they call her Suki fro now on?).

I kinda wish they'd call her Suki, but the show's pattern so far has been to have the characters stick to using their established "nameless" designations. Two, Three, Five, and Six all know their real names but still go by their numbers, because who they were isn't who they are anymore. The Android might feel the same way, given how uncomfortable she was with the revelation of why she was created. So I kind of suspect she'll stick with Android, annoying as that is.

Though I'm wondering if there's still more of two's backstory to come. We've Rebecca and we've seen Two but where does the Portia Lin part come in?

I'm not sure that needs to be explained more than it has been. Once she left Shaw's lab and struck out on her own, she needed a new identity to elude Dwarf Star, and also just to give herself an identity of her own choosing rather than Rook's. And she was probably pretty bitter and cynical after being created as a slave and losing the one person who's accepted and loved her, so that explains why Portia was so angry at the universe.


Was she always there after the augmentation and the relationship with Dr Shaw a calming and controlling influence for Rebecca but without we got the woman who took the Raza by killing most of her crew.

But we now know she had a reason for that. She loved Shaw and saw Suki/Android as the last surviving part of her, so she cared more about Suki than she did about anyone else on board the Raza. So that "ruthless" act had a more loving motive behind it, in a twisted way.

So anyway, we now have confirmation that Two is bisexual, as was hinted at in her relationship with Nyx. And Shaw, her old lover, is still out there, at least for the moment. I wonder, are her plans as ruthless as Victor's, or is it just Victor who's secretly evil?
 
based on jaded decades of TV watching, I'd say EVERYbody is secretly evil.

It's given me trust issues.
 
If Shaw basically created Victor, then I suspect she approves of his actions. And she was just as much a part of that ominous conversation at the end as he was.

And even more than that, the fact that she liked Rebecca/Two in the first place, knowing her bloody escape and murderous capability, probably shows she isn't exactly a saint.

So what was the final flashback with Ryo? Something about a Nova 17 manufacturing facility. And a full scale invasion. Is that something from the first season that my old brain has already forgotten, or is this a new mystery?
 
If Shaw basically created Victor, then I suspect she approves of his actions.

That doesn't follow. The tradition of creators who reject or renounce their creations' actions goes back to the originator of the trope, Victor Frankenstein, and includes many others such as Henry Pym (Ultron), Miles Dyson (Skynet), and Noonien Soong (Lore).

And she was just as much a part of that ominous conversation at the end as he was.

But she wasn't present for his murder of Anya's owner, which we saw only in flashback from his POV. So we don't know if she's aware of it. While she and Victor may have similar goals, Shaw may not realize how ruthless he's willing to be in pursuing them.


And even more than that, the fact that she liked Rebecca/Two in the first place, knowing her bloody escape and murderous capability, probably shows she isn't exactly a saint.

She escaped from people who had tortured and enslaved her. It wasn't something she did for fun. Was Charles Xavier a villain because he forgave the murders Wolverine committed when escaping the Weapon X program?

Heck, if Shaw had been evil to start with, then she would've been just as cruel to Rebecca as the rest of the Dwarf Star scientists (except for that one guy we met last year). Instead, she was the one who encouraged Rebecca to develop as a person instead of just a weapon.


So what was the final flashback with Ryo? Something about a Nova 17 manufacturing facility. And a full scale invasion. Is that something from the first season that my old brain has already forgotten, or is this a new mystery?

It seems to be a new tidbit that will probably pay off later.
 
Well we now have more backstory for two (building on what's been shown before) and backstory for the Android (or will they call her Suki fro now on?).

Though I'm wondering if there's still more of two's backstory to come. We've Rebecca and we've seen Two but where does the Portia Lin part come in?

Was she always there after the augmentation and the relationship with Dr Shaw a calming and controlling influence for Rebecca but without we got the woman who took the Raza by killing most of her crew.
I'm also wondering about that. I thought that Rebecca became Portia both because of her treatment by Dwarf Star (bad role models) and because of she had nowhere else to turn but to criminals, but now it seems she had reached a safe place and was being cared for.
Since this episode used the "unreliable narrator" technique a couple of times (the purpose of "Suki"'s creation, for example), I wonder if things went exactly as told or if there was some disagreement they aren't mentioning.

Suki!!
I loved Boon continuing his meal while Portia demolished everybody around him. :lol:
Line of the episode goes to Boon: "I was rooting for you".
Seems like he was smart enought to give at least even odds to Portia.
Also remarkable: the Raza had a captain before Portia. So her attachment to the ship probably is tied to the ship allowing her to leep eluding/evading her many enemies, which would be very hard if it was sold as suggested in S1.

But we now know she had a reason for that. She loved Shaw and saw Suki/Android as the last surviving part of her, so she cared more about Suki than she did about anyone else on board the Raza. So that "ruthless" act had a more loving motive behind it, in a twisted way.

So anyway, we now have confirmation that Two is bisexual, as was hinted at in her relationship with Nyx. And Shaw, her old lover, is still out there, at least for the moment. I wonder, are her plans as ruthless as Victor's, or is it just Victor who's secretly evil?
Shaw did not give a good impression in that final scene, even if she may not have been aware of what happened with Victor. She wasn't very honest with Two and Android about her intentions, given that she obviously has some plans for new Sara.

Remarkable: at first she wasn't willing to override the personality of an existing android (with her own), now she either managed to create a "blank" Android or she thought this new purpose was worth it.

The flashbacks were nice, and Portia's ruthless dispatching of the other mercenaries/criminals indeed gets another interpretation in hindsight. In the second flashback (with Emily/Das/Five), Portia already seemed to act much closer to Two, not only in behaviour but also in mannerisms. Five may have done more to change her from "superbitch" to Two, then the mindwipe ended up doing.

The final flashback was right before the events in the pilot episode (probably with Five's recording device under the table). What I don't understand here is how and why the Android was boxed and offline in this episode, when she seemed operational and trusted just before and keeping her connected to the ship was the obvious option with the crew in stasis. Maybe Six and/or Five took her out just before stasis.

The GA actions in this episode were a bit erratic: they apparently had two hidden transmitters (in Victor and Anya), but they decided to betray the more detectable of those by taking potshots at the Raza whenever it dropped out of FTL (reminds me of early BSG) and then stopped this when only Victor's transmitter was still active. Surely they could simply have waited till the Raza reached its destination, if being lead to that place was their intention from the beginning?

And while they may justifiably have concentrated on the facility when they arrived in force to attack it, totally ignoring the Raza even when the Marauder returned from the surface (surely the GA couldn't know who and what was on it) seems weird, unless they hadn't detected it at all.


So what was the final flashback with Ryo? Something about a Nova 17 manufacturing facility. And a full scale invasion. Is that something from the first season that my old brain has already forgotten, or is this a new mystery?
The Nova17-facility is from Dwarf Star. Portia mentioned that the GA was in Rook's pocket, when Ryo suggested they alerted the GA about his activities.

As for the full scale invasion: Rebecca was created as a carrier body, much like "Suki" was supposed to be a carrier body for Shaw (in one version of events, at least!). I'm guessing they are talking about an alien invasion, maybe connected to the green goo that briefly possessed three in season 2 (that was also a dwarf star episode).
 
Looks like we'll be getting an explanation about the Nova 17 facility this week.
New episode tonight:
The Dwarf Star Conspiracy
TV Guide said:
One of the Android's newly discovered memories leads the crew to a suspicious Dwarf Star facility on Nova 17
The title makes it sound like this might also tie into the Dwarf Star reference we got in the flashforward earlier this season.
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Syfy said:
A mysterious facility holds answers to past mysteries and a preview into future conflicts.
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This show is so unfocused. They've already got the corporate war and the Zairon war/intrigue arcs going on, and they've thrown in the parallel-universe doppelgangers and an android resistance on top of that, so, sure, what the hell, let's toss in an alien invasion by extradimensional Lovecraftian horrors while we're at it! Sheesh, pick a war and stick with it, writers!
 
let's toss in an alien invasion by extradimensional Lovecraftian horrors while we're at it! Sheesh, pick a war and stick with it, writers!

a) it was an existing plot point being revisited so it's not like they just added it out of thin air.
b) it's pretty much finished. The portal and the simulants are nothing but radioactive dust.
c) the parallel universe dopplegangers have inserted in themselves into the corporate war by aligning themselves with one of the corporates so it's some way out in left field tangent either.

No sure the character of the Android would have worked so well the role had been cast as male or even with a different actress. Not sure that all of the conversation with 2 was necessary
 
This show has a lot of balls in the air, but they only really know how to deal with one at a time, and then randomly add another ball in the final minute. The writing isn't that great to begin with, but they're still unfocused.
 
a) it was an existing plot point being revisited so it's not like they just added it out of thin air.
b) it's pretty much finished. The portal and the simulants are nothing but radioactive dust.
c) the parallel universe dopplegangers have inserted in themselves into the corporate war by aligning themselves with one of the corporates so it's some way out in left field tangent either.

No sure the character of the Android would have worked so well the role had been cast as male or even with a different actress. Not sure that all of the conversation with 2 was necessary
The role of the Android was expanded, at least to what was intented when the original comic was released. Probably in function of the actress, who seems an excellent match for the part.

One thing I appreciate about this show is that things do get revisited. They may not resolve everything in nice, orderly, chronological fashion, but then does every show have to be this way?
If DM makes it to the full 5 seasons (I hope so), a lot of those balls will probably stay in the air till close to the series finale. But then, Game of Thrones is like that, too.
 
JM just confirmed on his blog that he never planned to kill off One, and that the death scene wasn't his original idea (I guess he means he would have wanted it less abrupt). From the earlier statements by Jay Firestone, we can safely say that Firestone strongarmed the other producers into doing this, to emulate GoT. Which is a shame, considering that the equivalent deaths in GoT were always part of the plan...

In the same post, he also admitted that Devon's dead was unsatisfactory and they weren't able to follow the original plan there, either.

I'll link as it is an interesting read with an unusually frank Mallozzi (frank question getting frank answers, actually!): https://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/august-11-2017-i-answer-your-burning-questions/
 
a) it was an existing plot point being revisited so it's not like they just added it out of thin air.

Obviously, but that's beside the point. The point is, they already have two major galactic-war arcs already in play this season. If they wanted to do an alien invasion, it would've been better pacing to save it for next season, after at least one of the current ongoing arcs has been resolved. It just feels like they're piling on too many big arc developments one after the other lately.


b) it's pretty much finished. The portal and the simulants are nothing but radioactive dust.

No; as Five said, several dozen of the alien-possessed simulants are already active as infiltrators within numerous corporate militaries (and probably the GA as well). And Alexander Rook is still out there. This isn't over.


c) the parallel universe dopplegangers have inserted in themselves into the corporate war by aligning themselves with one of the corporates so it's some way out in left field tangent either.

As I recall, they're working with Ryo. But again, it's not about whether they're out of left field; I never said that was the problem. The problem is that they're piling on too many big things at once without resolving anything. It's a matter of pacing and focus.

Also, I'm worried that the goal here is to use the alien invasion as an excuse to easily resolve the corporate-war and Ryo-vs.-Raza conflicts and get everyone on the same side again. That's too much of an easy out. It doesn't actually resolve the problems that led to the conflicts; in real life, when such alliances against a common foe happen (e.g. WWII), the lingering tensions may be put on hold, but that just leads them to fester and build up until they come back even stronger after the mutual threat is over. So when works of fiction use a greater common enemy as an excuse to end a conflict, it's usually kind of a cheat.
 
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