Spoilers Daredevil: Born Again discussion thread
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You can see why they changed it. As for why it was that to begin with . . . Bendis does have a tendency to court shock and controversy in his stories. Call it provocative, call it tactless and hackneyed. Six of one, half dozen of the other.
I too knew Ayala was doomed the moment he was acquitted. I'm guessing Frank will not be too happy with these cops wearing his logo.
I'm sure he's drafting a strongly worded letter of complaint as we speak . . . with an M60.
He has obtained legal counsel and will see them in court!!!!! Castle v NYPD.
FTFY
Just a guess from the season teaser, but I think Frank's maybe somewhat out of touch right now and Matt has to let him know these bad cops are using his symbol.
I wonder if they'll follow the comics and have one of Hector's family members take up the amulet and become the next White Tiger. I know from one of the Marvel LEGO games that his sister Ava is the current White Tiger, and according to IGN his niece was also White Tiger at one point, and they were both introduced in this episode. I could have sworn Ava was Hector's daughter in the comics, but IGN says she's his sister.
Doubt it. This episode was apparently one of the scrapped ones from the first attempt and i think that storyline is done with the death of Ayala and is just leading into the appearance of Frank Castle. There's enough going on with Fisk/Vanessa, Murdock and Castle and the rest of the cast to not need another superhero in the mix, especially with the limited episode count of this season.
Nine episodes. Which is more than average for Disney+ shows which typically have six to eight episodes, and only four less than the Netflix seasons had.
That's true, but they could always just set it up this season, and then get deeper into dealing with the new White Tiger next season.
Allegedly Bendis said he was named after a childhood friend, but the source of that was a post on a message board that no longer exists. So grain of salt.
Also, the Spider-Man of the 21st century potentially being "Miles Davis."
I'm absolutely loving seeing Matt working not only as a thorough and dependable lawyer, but also how he broke out his detective skills in tracking down the "Punisher" casing...and the man himself, deep in the bowels of the city. I'm not surprised (but nonetheless relieved) that Frank wasn't responsible for Hector's death and how the murderer was instead one of his loony fanboys and I'm grateful that Frank finds all of them disgusting (I really hope we see more of that particular element explored this season).
But the real highlight of the episode was the powerhouse moment when Frank forced Matt to face his grief and guilt over Foggy's death. I think Frank found a crack in Matt's resolve and belief in the justice system because clearly Matt is not satisfied that Bullseye is locked away for life (another element that I hope we see explored more this season). Also, I'm loving how everyone is casually referring to Poindexter as Bullseye instead of his real name. I can't remember if the Netflix even used the name Bullseye once but by this point Poindexter is well-known by his villainous moniker.
I'm continuing to love everything about Wilson and Vanessa's relationship and power struggles...but I was genuinely surprised to see Adam still alive (...if not well). I fully expected him to be at the bottom of the Hudson and I feel like Vanessa assumes the same. But of course that's not enough of a punishment for Wilson and I love that his takeaway from Heather's counseling sessions is trying to find forgiveness for Adam, even after his lengthy imprisonment and gods only know what else.
Speaking of time, I keep finding myself reflecting on how Vanessa is hung up by Wilson's sudden and long absence. Even though it's clearly about his time away after being shot by Echo (which feels that like should be an understandable convalescence), it keeps feeling like a reference to Wilson being gone during the Blip (to be clear, I know that's not the case but it just feels like that). My point is the length of Wilson's absence (as well as the hows and whys) feels murky at best and I wish we could get some clarity on that point, but I suspect we won't get such details. Likewise how the show probably won't directly address how a well-known crime lord not only got out of prison, but was able to garner enough support to be elected to office (and that's even with acknowledging the obvious real-life parallel).
But the real highlight of the episode was the powerhouse moment when Frank forced Matt to face his grief and guilt over Foggy's death. I think Frank found a crack in Matt's resolve and belief in the justice system because clearly Matt is not satisfied that Bullseye is locked away for life (another element that I hope we see explored more this season). Also, I'm loving how everyone is casually referring to Poindexter as Bullseye instead of his real name. I can't remember if the Netflix even used the name Bullseye once but by this point Poindexter is well-known by his villainous moniker.
I'm continuing to love everything about Wilson and Vanessa's relationship and power struggles...but I was genuinely surprised to see Adam still alive (...if not well). I fully expected him to be at the bottom of the Hudson and I feel like Vanessa assumes the same. But of course that's not enough of a punishment for Wilson and I love that his takeaway from Heather's counseling sessions is trying to find forgiveness for Adam, even after his lengthy imprisonment and gods only know what else.
Speaking of time, I keep finding myself reflecting on how Vanessa is hung up by Wilson's sudden and long absence. Even though it's clearly about his time away after being shot by Echo (which feels that like should be an understandable convalescence), it keeps feeling like a reference to Wilson being gone during the Blip (to be clear, I know that's not the case but it just feels like that). My point is the length of Wilson's absence (as well as the hows and whys) feels murky at best and I wish we could get some clarity on that point, but I suspect we won't get such details. Likewise how the show probably won't directly address how a well-known crime lord not only got out of prison, but was able to garner enough support to be elected to office (and that's even with acknowledging the obvious real-life parallel).
I can't believe I forgot there was a new episode tonight. Watching now.
Written by David Feige? I had to look that up. No relation.
To be fair...I almost forgot after I got home from work this evening.
Yeah, I did a double take on that one, too.
I thought this was a weaker episode. Not bad, just not as tight as last week.
Everything with Wilson and Vanessa remains absolute gold. Their scene in Heather's office was as tense as anything adrenaline pumping and it was just two people being forced to finally bring a little honesty to their marriage.
Though not THAT much, as Wilson proves later. Still, he has technically kept his promise to Vanessa not to kill Adam. So he's only lying about not knowing where Adam is. Seeing the Kingpin in Wilson come out at moments like that is positively chilling, and actually makes the scenes where he seems to be trying to legit be a better man kind of tragic.
The other scene that will be, and deserves to be, talked about was Matt and Frank. Which, I'll be honest, was not at all what I was expecting their conversation to look like. And that's a good thing. Cox and Bernthal have such chemistry together, and each embodies the ethos of their respective character so effectively, that these chats are always so perfectly watchable. I figured they'd have Frank call out Matt for trying to kill Bullseye. But this was much more effective, with Frank seeing the guilt, and trauma, left in Matt after losing Foggy.
Also, shout out to the writers for Matt's parade of system challenging conversations throughout the episode. Angela, the client whose name I didn't catch and Frank all get great moments approaching the system in different ways and putting big neon lights on the fact that while the system may, at it's best, mean well and seek fairness that it is rarely at it's best and that has all kinds of consequences that may not look so nice if your perspective is the downtrodden, forgotten or marginalized.
We've cranked the vise about as far as we can get it, now. It's time for Matt to finally let the devil out. Before it explodes out in a way he can't control. I wonder what the final straw will be? The decisive inciting incident? But it comes at the perfect time, as Muse is about to make New York his own twisted art gallery.
Everything with Wilson and Vanessa remains absolute gold. Their scene in Heather's office was as tense as anything adrenaline pumping and it was just two people being forced to finally bring a little honesty to their marriage.
Though not THAT much, as Wilson proves later. Still, he has technically kept his promise to Vanessa not to kill Adam. So he's only lying about not knowing where Adam is. Seeing the Kingpin in Wilson come out at moments like that is positively chilling, and actually makes the scenes where he seems to be trying to legit be a better man kind of tragic.
The other scene that will be, and deserves to be, talked about was Matt and Frank. Which, I'll be honest, was not at all what I was expecting their conversation to look like. And that's a good thing. Cox and Bernthal have such chemistry together, and each embodies the ethos of their respective character so effectively, that these chats are always so perfectly watchable. I figured they'd have Frank call out Matt for trying to kill Bullseye. But this was much more effective, with Frank seeing the guilt, and trauma, left in Matt after losing Foggy.
Also, shout out to the writers for Matt's parade of system challenging conversations throughout the episode. Angela, the client whose name I didn't catch and Frank all get great moments approaching the system in different ways and putting big neon lights on the fact that while the system may, at it's best, mean well and seek fairness that it is rarely at it's best and that has all kinds of consequences that may not look so nice if your perspective is the downtrodden, forgotten or marginalized.
We've cranked the vise about as far as we can get it, now. It's time for Matt to finally let the devil out. Before it explodes out in a way he can't control. I wonder what the final straw will be? The decisive inciting incident? But it comes at the perfect time, as Muse is about to make New York his own twisted art gallery.
