How so?
It's an objective fact that the current occupant of the White House is a convicted felon. 34 times, in fact.
It's an objective fact that the current occupant of the White House is a convicted felon. 34 times, in fact.
The difference is Fisk served time and the law wasn't enforced on the other guy. That's a huge difference.
Yes we do. He gives up his citizenship and leaves, and he gets to go free. They told us that in the episode.
Repeatedly, including in this episode.
Which is absolutely insane since he committed cold-blooded murder. That's why I'm inclined to think it couldn't be as simple as that.
A really great finale to a great season, massive improvement over the first season i have to say.
Loved the court first half of the episode when Matt started to go on about the Northern Star and talking about Daredevil i was on the edge of my seat thinking is he going to really do it and reveal himself and he did! The wrap up of the court proceedings kinda happened a bit fast but superhero shows tend to get a bit more suspension of disbelief than regular drama shows.
Now my first problem - why was Bullseye there taking out the fake Bullseye and why would he take up a shooting position? At the time it seemed illogical unless he was already working for the CIA guy and had orders to shoot Fisk ( and yet again missed when Buck took the shot). Unless that's the case this one was very strange.
Fisks rampage was brutal and "loved" how his squeaky clean white suit got progressively more blooded as a reflection of the mounting guilt he himself gathered. It was good that they avoided another Kingpin/Daredevil fight, we already had that last episode and a few times before in previous seasons, no need to repeat that. However this brings me to the greates problem of the episode - why was Fisk offered a deal at all? He did so many crimes, has killed people ( not even counting the ones he killed minutes ago on his rampage) and he still gets a deal to go into exile and get off free basically while Matt gets arrested later for his crimes as Daredevil??? That got me a little frustrated as it made no sense from any angle you may look at.
Apart from this issue it's a fantastic show and i can't wait to see season 3. They are already deep into filming so hopefully we'll get it around the same time next year. It's time shows returned to a yearly release schedule instead of making us wait 2-3 years or more between seasons.
Loved the court first half of the episode when Matt started to go on about the Northern Star and talking about Daredevil i was on the edge of my seat thinking is he going to really do it and reveal himself and he did! The wrap up of the court proceedings kinda happened a bit fast but superhero shows tend to get a bit more suspension of disbelief than regular drama shows.
Now my first problem - why was Bullseye there taking out the fake Bullseye and why would he take up a shooting position? At the time it seemed illogical unless he was already working for the CIA guy and had orders to shoot Fisk ( and yet again missed when Buck took the shot). Unless that's the case this one was very strange.
Fisks rampage was brutal and "loved" how his squeaky clean white suit got progressively more blooded as a reflection of the mounting guilt he himself gathered. It was good that they avoided another Kingpin/Daredevil fight, we already had that last episode and a few times before in previous seasons, no need to repeat that. However this brings me to the greates problem of the episode - why was Fisk offered a deal at all? He did so many crimes, has killed people ( not even counting the ones he killed minutes ago on his rampage) and he still gets a deal to go into exile and get off free basically while Matt gets arrested later for his crimes as Daredevil??? That got me a little frustrated as it made no sense from any angle you may look at.
Apart from this issue it's a fantastic show and i can't wait to see season 3. They are already deep into filming so hopefully we'll get it around the same time next year. It's time shows returned to a yearly release schedule instead of making us wait 2-3 years or more between seasons.
Until S3 gives us any more details, I'm assuming Val had a role in this. Fisk gets prosecuted normally, he opens his big mouth and her crimes get brought up. Fisk can link her to the illegal guns, and the smuggling, after all. We've already seen she's more than willing to do shady things to cover her butt, and is not above murder. Or freeing a murderer. Hell, she doesn't appear to have any scruples whatsoever, so I put nothing past her.
And we've already seen her actively step in. To influence the state AG, even. Recall the first appearance of Mr Charles.
It's the cycle of corruption. Bigger fish hang smaller fish out to dry to protect themselves. Or spare them because they can offer up tastier bait to authorities if given the chance.
If that's the case they might have better dropped a small hint or even a cameo to suggest bigger things are at play because as it stands it makes no sense logically or in show to let Fisk go with a slap on his wrist while arresting Murdock. For me it brings the finale down a little bit.
No, it makes perfect sense for someone like him.
Fisk is too powerful, too influential to be in prison, he'd be running the place with in a week.
And it wasn't just a slap, because he also had his citizenship revoked, meaning if he wants back into the country he'll need to do it illegally.
Uhm - since when does any justice system worthy of that name tolerate murder? Even if nothing before the trial could be pinned on him ( highly unlikely) his murder rampage during the riot is something else and not even the best lawyer in the world could make that look like self defense.
Unlike the US that has done this in real life with Donald Trump it still is a huge logic hole for me to let off Fisk so lightly. I only hope there is something larger going on that we will see in season 3, if not it'll always be a mistake to me how it was handled.
It is hard to believe. But I think there were two things at play here.
First, a lot of people were backing Fisk with their support or at least looking the other way because he seemingly got results.
And second, Daredevil had to give him an incentive to stop further bloodshed which was the most important thing for him in that moment.
Does that justify letting him off the hook quietly? No. But we'll see where it goes next season.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is ongoing public pressure for them to release the... erm Fisk files.
First, a lot of people were backing Fisk with their support or at least looking the other way because he seemingly got results.
And second, Daredevil had to give him an incentive to stop further bloodshed which was the most important thing for him in that moment.
Does that justify letting him off the hook quietly? No. But we'll see where it goes next season.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is ongoing public pressure for them to release the... erm Fisk files.
Understandable but i hope they separate themselves a bit more from actual reality, i have more than enough of that with The Boys though they were kinda steamrolled by actual reality and what they intended as satire or humor with a wink has become far too close to what actually happens in the US at the moment.
Technically I think you could make a claim of self defense for a few of the murders in the rampage. Some of them certainly were not 'self-defense', but I think he pretty much killed all eye witnesses anyway.
All of them manslaughter at least.
I don't know the specifics of US law but i know the german law and know of a guy who has received special close combat training in the army, so one night he got into a fight and demolished the other guy. He got into severe legal trouble because it was ruled that due to his advanced skillset his use of force was deemed excessive even for regular self defense. Fisk's use of force could be "excessive" too
Btw - i love discussions like these about fictional characters and arguing wether they were in the right or not
New York has a Castle Law and deadly force is allowed if your life is at risk, which Fisk's was.All of them manslaughter at least.
I don't know the specifics of US law but i know the german law and know of a guy who has received special close combat training in the army, so one night he got into a fight and demolished the other guy. He got into severe legal trouble because it was ruled that due to his advanced skillset his use of force was deemed excessive even for regular self defense. Fisk's use of force could be "excessive" too
Btw - i love discussions like these about fictional characters and arguing wether they were in the right or not
I had assumed they offered Fisk the deal because it was pretty much they only way they could see to stop him without things getting even more out of control than they already were.
I wonder if she'll be back next season in the full White Tiger suit?
Yeah, I forgot about that, she was pretty cool.
I wonder if she'll be back next season in the full White Tiger suit?
If Marvel were to release a comic tie-in to Brand New Day that covered what Peter Parker was up to during the reign of Mayor Fisk and then leading into the movie, I would buy it in a heartbeat.
Also, I imagine that the status quo at the end of this season puts the kibosh the theories that Daredevil would be appearing in Brand New Day.
Also, I imagine that the status quo at the end of this season puts the kibosh the theories that Daredevil would be appearing in Brand New Day.
Well, there is a prison break.
