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OHMSS underperformed compared to the previous four Connery entries, but it’s not anywhere close to the bottom of the franchise like LTK is. Back in 2019 I took the worldwide total grosses of all the films and adjusted them for inflation.



  1. SKYFALL - $1.24b
  2. THUNDERBALL - $1.15b
  3. GOLDFINGER - $1.03b
  4. SPECTRE - $948m
  5. LIVE AND LET DIE - $931m
  6. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - $854m
  7. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME - $782m
  8. CASINO ROYALE - $753m
  9. MOONRAKER - $740m
  10. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER - $732m
  11. QUANTUM OF SOLACE - $702m
  12. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE - $659m
  13. DIE ANOTHER DAY - $613m
  14. GOLDENEYE - $597m
  15. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE -$571m
  16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - $555m
  17. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY - $549m
  18. TOMORROW NEVER DIES - $540m
  19. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN - $506m
  20. DR. NO - $504m
  21. OCTOPUSSY - $481m
  22. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - $439m
  23. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS - $430m
  24. A VIEW TO A KILL - $362m
  25. LICENCE TO KILL - $321m


Funny how in 1983 there was the Battle of the Bonds, but in spite of OP beating NSNA, both were the least grossing Bonds of their day adjusted for inflation.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
OHMSS underperformed compared to the previous four Connery entries, but it’s not anywhere close to the bottom of the franchise like LTK is. Back in 2019 I took the worldwide total grosses of all the films and adjusted them for inflation.




1. SKYFALL - $1.24b

2. THUNDERBALL - $1.15b

3. GOLDFINGER - $1.03b

4. SPECTRE - $948m

5. LIVE AND LET DIE - $931m

6. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - $854m

7. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME - $782m

8. CASINO ROYALE - $753m

9. MOONRAKER - $740m

10. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER - $732m

11. QUANTUM OF SOLACE - $702m

12. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE - $659m

13. DIE ANOTHER DAY - $613m

14. GOLDENEYE - $597m

15. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE -$571m

16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - $555m

17. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY - $549m

18. TOMORROW NEVER DIES - $540m

19. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN - $506m

20. DR. NO - $504m

21. OCTOPUSSY - $481m

22. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - $439m

23. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS - $430m

24. A VIEW TO A KILL - $362m

25. LICENCE TO KILL - $321m



Funny how in 1983 there was the Battle of the Bonds, but in spite of OP beating NSNA, both were the least grossing Bonds of their day adjusted for inflation.
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Sigh! THIS is what I responded to.


cardinal biggles said:
The two that are probably regarded as having performed the worst are OHMSS and Licence to Kill; the former didn't gross as much as You Only Live Twice ($82 million vs. $111.6 million), but it was still one of the top films of the year. And the perceived failure of Licence mostly has to do with its disappointing US gross ($34.6 million vs. $51.2 million for The Living Daylights), one of many films that got lost in the summer of Batman.
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STEPhon IT said:
Perceived to the world of the Broccoli's but the movie didn't underperform, adjusted for inflation there are career filmmakers wished their bad movies had numbers like Licence to Kill and On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
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What didn't you understand what I originally written??? Did you miss "perceived to the world of the Broccoli's'??? Outside of EON those movies didn't underperform.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
OHMSS underperformed compared to the previous four Connery entries, but it’s not anywhere close to the bottom of the franchise like LTK is. Back in 2019 I took the worldwide total grosses of all the films and adjusted them for inflation.



  1. SKYFALL - $1.24b
  2. THUNDERBALL - $1.15b
  3. GOLDFINGER - $1.03b
  4. SPECTRE - $948m
  5. LIVE AND LET DIE - $931m
  6. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - $854m
  7. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME - $782m
  8. CASINO ROYALE - $753m
  9. MOONRAKER - $740m
  10. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER - $732m
  11. QUANTUM OF SOLACE - $702m
  12. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE - $659m
  13. DIE ANOTHER DAY - $613m
  14. GOLDENEYE - $597m
  15. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE -$571m
  16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - $555m
  17. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY - $549m
  18. TOMORROW NEVER DIES - $540m
  19. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN - $506m
  20. DR. NO - $504m
  21. OCTOPUSSY - $481m
  22. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - $439m
  23. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS - $430m
  24. A VIEW TO A KILL - $362m
  25. LICENCE TO KILL - $321m


Funny how in 1983 there was the Battle of the Bonds, but in spite of OP beating NSNA, both were the least grossing Bonds of their day adjusted for inflation.
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I think it's time they brought NSNA into the offical library, i have a version of this i got from the McClory website many many many moons ago where for a donation they sent you a copy of the movie with all the music replaced by offical Bond music from other movies, and it really does tip NSNA over into a fully fledged Bond movie.
 
MakeshiftPython said:
OHMSS underperformed compared to the previous four Connery entries, but it’s not anywhere close to the bottom of the franchise like LTK is. Back in 2019 I took the worldwide total grosses of all the films and adjusted them for inflation.



  1. SKYFALL - $1.24b
  2. THUNDERBALL - $1.15b
  3. GOLDFINGER - $1.03b
  4. SPECTRE - $948m
  5. LIVE AND LET DIE - $931m
  6. YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE - $854m
  7. THE SPY WHO LOVED ME - $782m
  8. CASINO ROYALE - $753m
  9. MOONRAKER - $740m
  10. DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER - $732m
  11. QUANTUM OF SOLACE - $702m
  12. FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE - $659m
  13. DIE ANOTHER DAY - $613m
  14. GOLDENEYE - $597m
  15. ON HER MAJESTY'S SECRET SERVICE -$571m
  16. THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH - $555m
  17. FOR YOUR EYES ONLY - $549m
  18. TOMORROW NEVER DIES - $540m
  19. THE MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN - $506m
  20. DR. NO - $504m
  21. OCTOPUSSY - $481m
  22. NEVER SAY NEVER AGAIN - $439m
  23. THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS - $430m
  24. A VIEW TO A KILL - $362m
  25. LICENCE TO KILL - $321m


Funny how in 1983 there was the Battle of the Bonds, but in spite of OP beating NSNA, both were the least grossing Bonds of their day adjusted for inflation.
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Those are worldwide numbers? Because I hope you're aware of the problems adjusting international box office for inflation.
 
Given it’s a 60 year franchise it’s problematic no matter what method. One could just look at the actual number of tickets sold, but then consider we went from 3 billion to 7 billion during that time span, with a ton of international distribution changes between the years. I don’t think Bond ever opened in China until Craig’s run.
 
Haggis and tatties said:
I think it's time they brought NSNA into the offical library, i have a version of this i got from the McClory website many many many moons ago where for a donation they sent you a copy of the movie with all the music replaced by offical Bond music from other movies, and it really does tip NSNA over into a fully fledged Bond movie.
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I've seen that version, it is interesting to see how well the movie flows with the EON tropes, something Barbara Broccoli mentioned during the segment about "Never Say Never Again" and "Octopussy". Even that movie made good B.O. numbers but I guess WB wanted to do better against UA's established formula. Connery's movie was bound to lose because he was up against the pinnacle of the Moore era; his Bond was probably the only OO7 his audience knew about. They was no home video library to look forward to and Connery's movies would appear on TV sparingly at the time and when they were aired they were subjected to editing for commercial viewing and also TV screens where not forgiving in displaying an actual format of how the movies where supposed to be seen.

When I re-explored Moore's tenure as OO7 I discovered only a few of his movies laughed it up, for the most part Moore treated the role seriously but found avenues to make the scenes light hearted in moments. Not my Bond, I never minded him being dirty blond I thought his movies were not up to par with the Connery movies and definitely On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Chasing trends was part of the Roger Moore mantle from Blaxploitation to Star Wars but I thought "The Man with the Golden Gun", The Spy Who Loved Me" and "For Your Eyes Only" were his best movies ad the character and I will buy those movies when they're released in 4k format.
 
The Octopussy v NSNA thing always makes me think of Roger telling an interviewer, firm well in his cheek, that he wasn’t worried about the competition, “after all, one can go and see Olivier playing King Lear in one theatre and then go down to the next one and see Gielgud playing the same role on the same night.”

That and the fact that 1983 wasn’t just the year of 2 Bonds, there were 3 - Lazenby cameoed in TV’s Return of the Man from UNCLE, as James Bond in all but name:
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STEPhon IT said:
When I re-explored Moore's tenure as OO7 I discovered only a few of his movies laughed it up, for the most part Moore treated the role seriously but found avenues to make the scenes light hearted in moments. Not my Bond, I never minded him being dirty blond I thought his movies were not up to par with the Connery movies and definitely On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Chasing trends was part of the Roger Moore mantle from Blaxploitation to Star Wars but I thought "The Man with the Golden Gun", The Spy Who Loved Me" and "For Your Eyes Only" were his best movies ad the character and I will buy those movies when they're released in 4k format.
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Moore does have a bit of a reputation, perhaps unfairly, as not being that serious about Bond. I remember seeing an interview with him, I think with "Live and Let Die" where he decided early on to make the role his own. He thought it would be a mistake just to copy Connery, and he's probably right. Part of the reason Lazenby bowed out was bad advice he got from his agent saying Bond would be old news in the more liberal, women's lib 1970s. And had they continued the Connery formula into the 1970s Bond probably would have become passe. So Moore probably was wise to adapt the role to his own personality. It was still the same basic Bond formula. He still had to take out the bad guys, he was still dangerous to his foes, he still liked his women, and Connery had his own slate of one-liners so Moore added a comedic touch wasn't even anything new. The biggest difference was probably just the personality. Moore's Bond might have a twinkle in his eye....as he shoots you down. And he is a bit less cold blooded. But it fit with the 1970s which allowed Bond movies to adapt. And since then each actor who has played Bond has added a bit of their own spin to the role as well. It's the same basic character, just with some different details.

"The Man With the Golden Gun" doesn't always get the best reviews for whatever reason, but I loved that movie too. Perhaps it's a bit controversial to say, but I actually liked that more than "Live and Let Die." "The Spy Who Loved Me" is also a classic and yes, I even liked "Moonraker," as ridiculous as things were getting by them.

But "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" stands out to me as the best of the best. Great set design, great music score, great actor playing the villain, and a great story. And I even liked Lazenby in the role. I don't think Connery could have played the role as depicted in the movie. People would never have bought into it.
 
During "You Only live Twice" Connery, to me, looked done with playing OO7; no longer the hungry actor creating a movie icon but coasting from scene to scene. Something I never saw from Roger Moore, whatever THAT incarnation of Bond was he loved being the character until his final reel; no where in his career of James Bond performances felt he was out of gas. Yes, he was aging but I thought the producers were clever to bring this angle along and off to the absurdities of his latest adventure. Unlike Daniel Craig, I never had a hint of Roger Moore ever feeling embarrassed by the source material; the world of James Bond like "Mad Men" is and was a product of its time and that character belongs in THAT KIND of world and not ours. It's why I can appreciate what his version and Timothy Dalton put on the table, its James Bond but their interpretation of the character had a range in tone. Moore brought out more of the silliness, while Dalton lowered it but still James Bond and there's no question about his function as a character in the OO7 world. I appreciate an actor who loved being James Bond, and presented it that way.
 
That's a lovely moment. Seems like there was more to the speech (because he was already fighting back the tears) so hopefully we'll see the whole thing at some point.
 
I am dying to lying and experience the No Time to Die soundtrack from Han Zimmer, the release of the piece is on October the 1st, I'm wondering if the soundtrack will be released in the UK before the movie's debut over there?
 
I got a hold of the Zimmer soundtrack. It may be my favorite score of the Craig films. Does a wonderful job of channeling John Barry's sound while also doing its own flourishes. It actually plays well as a follow up to Newman's scores, which were already aiming to be Zimmer-like in the emphasis on rhythms and soundscapes. However, because Zimmer collaborated with Billie Eilish, her song is much more prominent in his score more than the title songs were in Newman's work.

More importantly, Barry fans are in for a REAL treat.
 
This documentary aired on RTE (Irish tv) last night but I think it was made by Apple TV. It’s very good, quite warts and all, opening as it does with a voiceover of critical reactions to the casting of Craig in 2005 or so. He, Wilson and Broccoli also talk about what went wrong with QoS and why he was fed up after Spectre. Some clips also from NTTD but nothing we wouldn’t have seen in the trailers. Worth catching https://m.imdb.com/title/tt15346636/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0
 
There's a lot of tradition here, but for Bond's sake as a franchise, they need to wipe the slate clean and replace Barbara Broccoli and Michael Wilson as Exec producers.
No more aping the Bourne films, no more desaturated camerawork, no more bland villains, and no more excessively complicated storylines.
And I agree with the return of Bond as womanizer, smoker, heavy drinker with controlled volatility. Because that's exactly the kind of person that would seek employment as a government-backed hired killer.
 
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