News Daniel Craig signs up for Bond 25, Christopher Nolan in talks to direct

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  1. MakeshiftPython

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    From your point of view, perhaps.
     
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  3. Starkers

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    Here's 214 off the cuff.

    Craig’s Bond is an incredibly broken man. He does a job he hates because he’s good at it and it’s all he’s ever known, and because he doesn’t know what else to do. He takes pleasure in things like alcohol, and women (preferably married) and gambling but even then any pleasure is fleeting. Everything is disposable to him, watch how he throws away guns, phones, car keys etc after they’ve served their purpose. Even allies (Mathis) and things that should hold sentimental value (his father’s hunting rifle). He’s a risk taker and isn’t averse to going rogue if he feels it will serve the mission, despite this he’s incredibly loyal to his first M, this loyalty even extending beyond her death at the expense of the loyalty he should show her successor. He manipulates allies into putting their own jobs on the line to help him, and isn’t averse to seducing women in vulnerable positions (Severine, Lucia Sciarra.) He grows from a man who thinks the world is a better place with one less bomb maker in it to a man who won’t kill the agent who manipulated the woman he loved, or the head of a criminal organisation because they’re more useful alive. And he has a mischievous sense of humour at times.

    Looking forward to 500 words on Connery.
     
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    In all the examples you state the reason an older actor is playing the role is because that actor has been playing the role since he was a younger man. The T800, Rocky Balboa, Han, Indy. Sure older actors are getting new action gigs but taking Reeves with John Wick and Neeson with Taken, while both in their fifties there were no plans that either would create a franchise, only the success of the initial film pushed sequels into the equation. I'm guessing they might have wanted a Nobody 2, but seems unlikely given Odenkirk's heart attack.

    Maybe I'll be wrong, maybe they will hire Elba, a man likely to be as old when his first Bond film comes out as Daniel Craig is now, but I don't think they will. Much more likely to be an actor currently between 35-40.
     
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    They did consider younger actors for CR. A 22 year old Henry Cavill was among the four finalists. Craig ultimately won it because he’s a more compelling actor, despite being 37 (in the novel Bond is actually 35 anyway). I don’t think they planned on doing a direct follow up at the time of his casting, and I wish they hadn’t because it wasn’t necessary for QOS. By SF, six years had passed so I think it was wise to just acknowledge the passage of time, like Mallory remarking that Bond had lasted longer than the average 00 agent prior to mandatory retirement. Pretending in his third film that he was still a “young” Bond would have been absurd.
     
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    ^Plus his third film coincided with the 50th which enhanced the need to have Bond as an established, weary agent rather than a young rookie.
     
  7. STEPhon IT

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    I am glad this is Craig's final outing. I hope the producers will move on from this broken man version of OO7 who for Daniel Craig never captured the essence of James Bond. Maybe in this new movie Craig will finally embrace the spirit of the cinematic character which has intrigued me. 1 more day to go to find out.
    Again, I am not rooting for a James Bond of color, I believe a creative mind can develop a unique assassin which embraces his own history, a love for country and culture and be much better than OO7. If another person of color was considered for James Bond, I don't think I would like it, not at all, but for some reason which I can not explain when I see Idris Elba I can go with that. I saw a movie, very interesting picture for people who likes cinema, Mandela where Elba played along with Naomi Harris I found their chemistry magnetic and would be interesting to see how Harris adjusts to a talent like Elba as James Bond. I could see Elba just walk into the role with no questions asked playing OO7 along with Fiennes, and Jeffrey Wright; to me the man has a presence that fits the mold of the cinematic hunk.

    As for age, Elba doesn't look the age of 50, and if he does to you - well - I need to journey through your neck of the woods where middle aged people look like Idris Elba. If done, the change can not draw attention to itself, something I thought the BBC and Chibnall did so wrong having a woman portrayed The Doctor on "Doctor Who". If Whitaker is The Doctor then no one in that world should dispute it? She walks in and every character should know she's The Doctor. PERIOD. The transition should flow just like it was done with the male actors who played the role, and of course has been done successfully with the James Bond franchise. I have no problem with diversity swapping if the casting is appropriate and the producers are responsible in handling it without question.
     
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    I forgot to add: so is this much of a character? Not really, apart from his missions, we have no idea what this version of Bond is like in his downtime
     
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    This is why I asked you earlier on how long it’s been since you’ve seen his films, because we literally get a glimpse of his downtime at different points. He’s also one of only three Bonds (Connery and Moore) that we got to see his flat.

    Looking at the trailers, we’re actually going to see EVEN MORE of his downtime.
     
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    Unless it's in the script, what you see in Bond's apartment is worthless as far as character insight. He could have a cello resting in a corner of his living room, it means in NO WAY that Bond relaxes by playing music. It just means he has a cello he got somehow. ''Retiring'' to a tropical island hardly qualifies here...
    I've seen Skyfall, Spectre and Quantum of Solace within the last 2 weeks, and Casino Royale about a month ago, happy now?
     
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    Just because you can't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. You claiming that and how Craig couldn't be described beyond 50 words just means you were so thoroughly unengaged with his incarnation.
     
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    ''Gassssspppp...Unbeliever!!''

    Or perhaps I just have my eyes open like Connery, Brosnan and Craig who had to be plied with more money to return to a role that bored them professionally?
     
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    I've only liked two of the Daniel Craig Bond films: Casino Royal and Skyfall. To this day, I've never finished Spectre. And QoS is... not great.

    What really made those movies was not Craig but Judi Dench's M. Craig is serviceable in the role, but it never really felt like the part for him, or at least that's how it comes across. He's much more lively in other roles, such as Knives Out.

    But for what it's worth, I prefer Timothy Dalton. Followed by Connery. But the best Bond movie remains On Her Majesty's Secret Service. If only, it featured a better Bond actor.
     
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    Idris Elba totes looks 50. Sexy 50 but still 50.
     
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    Agreed, there are better movies which has best Craig's talents other than Bond, like Layer Cake, The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo and Munich. Knives Out was a role perfectly made for Craig and I hope he continues to do those kinds of movies.
     
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    Early reviews are coming in. Mostly extremely positive. Long, but epic none the less.
    SYFY Wire report.

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    Nomi IS the new 007 (did we know that already, or did we just know she was a new 00?), so depending on how this movie works out, it could set an interesting course for what's next.
     
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    Yes, she gets the 007 number while Bond is retired. But that's at the beginning of the movie. We haven't heard how it ends.
     
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    ^^Yes, what you note in your spoiler is something we've known since summer 2019.
     
  20. Samurai8472

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    This didn’t feel like a Christopher Nolan movie at all ;)

    (can someone update the title please lol)


    Or we can keep it like this for years even when we get a new James Bond haha
     
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