Do you think that Enterprise went back to find and help that ship they stole the warp core from after the Expanse collapsed and they finished off the evil alien Nazis?
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Nope they never looked back. It ended up taking that ship 4 years to get home and they were pissed! When the Federation encountered them 25 years later offering membership they refused and would for a another decade when they realized THEY DIDN'T MATTER and needed protection from everyone. 
That's one thing I really wanted to see at the end of the third season or the beginning of the fourth season: Consequences to Archer's actions. I think Starfleet should have court martialed him or something. Oh, well!
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Considering what happened next week, I was always surprised that the older Enterprise after preparing for a hundred years needed to steal Enterprises plasma injectors, that they didn't have a warp coil prepared and waiting for Enterprise which matched the ships specifications, and buoy with yet another warp coil hadn't been left by for the Illyrians to make up for Archer being such an ass... But it seems that with a hundred and 20 years to get their ducks in a row, these poeple are still only a third as smart as Bill and Ted who totally mastered the art of rigging the timestream after a touch of fore knowledge.
Though Illyria is from Shakespeares 12th Night which all about some people shipwrecked and lost among other issues.
Though Illyria is from Shakespeares 12th Night which all about some people shipwrecked and lost among other issues.
"Hey dad...." Bill and Ted,,, Thats awesome!
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How do you court martial the guy who prevented the annihilation of humanity? Pretty lame way to say thanks!
I do think some things should have been followed up on:
-- Archer should be sent back to find the marooned aliens to help them get home.
-- Some mention of the North Star planet.
-- Followup on what became of Enterprise2.
-- Phlox should be called to account for using the lysarian larva to create Sim (not to mention murdering Sim to save Trip).
Not for saving humanity, but for endangering the lives of others in his quest. Just because you've done a very good thing, that doesn't excuse some other bad things that you've done on the way. (I am not of the opinion that the ends justify the means.) And anyway, keep in mind that a court martial isn't the same thing as a conviction. It's a trial to see whether or not anything has been done wrong and, if so, what punishment is appropriate.
What I would see as a likely outcome of such a court martial is that Archer would be forgiven of any wrongdoing and that Earth would apologize to and attempt to compensate anyone who Archer inconvenienced.
What I would see as a likely outcome of such a court martial is that Archer would be forgiven of any wrongdoing and that Earth would apologize to and attempt to compensate anyone who Archer inconvenienced.
You know, technically, Archer and the others who accompanied him committed piracy. Even in the military, you are not shielded from the consequences of your actions on the grounds that you were ordered to violate the law.
OTOH, Archer was given a nearly impossible task: to find a species of which humans had never heard in a region of space that was literally being converted into a hostile environment for species living in this universe. He faced an uncertain deadline and obstacles unknown. His ship was damn near destroyed and he only had one opportunity to win the confidence of his sole ally in the Xindi leadership. He would have to be certifiable to just toss up his hands after all they had gone through and say, "Oh, well! Guess we'll have to skip the meeting and just hope for the best!"
I just can't see a balance between aliens who will need 3 years to get home vs. the obliteration of a race.
The aliens Archer stole the core from might have been at risk, but were not certain to die. But if Archer stood Degra up, his only support on the council might have evaporated.
I don't actually blame Archer one damned bit for anything he did.
I don't blame him much either, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't have to bear some responsibility for his actions. Look at it this way: Let's say that after Archer saves Earth, the Illyrian government contacts Earth and complains that Archer stole a warp core from one of their ships, leaving the crew in danger of being stranded indefinitely. Is Earth's proper response, "too bad, get lost"? I think a better response would at least start with, "oh, hang on, I'll look into that for you... Hey, Archer, what exactly happened out there?" And it might eventually wind up with something like, "Okay, here's the deal, Illyrians: This guy had to save our planet, so we're going to take the blame for his actions. Now, how about TWO warp cores, some fuel, and a tune-up for the ship to compensate the crew for being inconvenienced?" And Archer probably would have been given a stern talking-to about how stealing is wrong. Even if it's sometimes necessary.
I would like to remind y'all about Voy The Void. Janeway, even a Monster like Janeway said that she had been reading the starfleet charter to see if she could find a loophole to justify piracy ALL NIGHT and she couldn't. Her first and second officers bitched at her about how cool piracy was and that they were going to all die in that void if they didn't get take what they needed from the weak and defenseless... but then Archer probably helped draft the (nu)starfleet Charter after the formation of the Coalition/Federation.
Do we even need to bring up the notion of Admmiral Kane from BSG season 2 and BSG Razor? She stripped a fleet of 20 ships in hostile space and then left thousands of civilians to die...
Did Archer lose any crew trying to take the illyrians, because that would be a difficult letter to write to their families. "Sorry, your kid didn't die doing anything noble, we just needed to steal some supplies from people tough enough to kick our ass and kill your son."
Do we even need to bring up the notion of Admmiral Kane from BSG season 2 and BSG Razor? She stripped a fleet of 20 ships in hostile space and then left thousands of civilians to die...
Did Archer lose any crew trying to take the illyrians, because that would be a difficult letter to write to their families. "Sorry, your kid didn't die doing anything noble, we just needed to steal some supplies from people tough enough to kick our ass and kill your son."
Archer should just have used the cell ship to reach Degra and leave those poor dudes alone.
Degra should have noticed that Enterprise was broken.
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Why did they wait till that nebula to contact them anyway?
E2 is also a Shakespearian reference.
Et tu, brute?
See, even alternate timeline Enterprise was out to stab the crew in the back after feigning friendship.
I was amazed that Archer didn't accept that Lorien's thievery as a perfectly gentlemanly way of conducting business, y'know that accepting Lorien at his word that this was the only way to save the earth from complete destruction, since others were doing unto him as he did to others.
It was all a rather complicated game of pass the parcel wasn't it?
It was all a rather complicated game of pass the parcel wasn't it?
Hey, KDoug! Welcome.
I was incredibly disappointed with what happened to Archer after season 3 and believe it was a serious weakness from the writers.
I was incredibly disappointed with what happened to Archer after season 3 and believe it was a serious weakness from the writers.
I don't think the Enterprise had the cell ship at the time. They must've left it behind before entering the Expanse.
If Archer had handed the cell ship in like he was supposed to at any point in time before or after this, then obvious;y Kirks Enterprise would have had a Cloak.
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