Damages

[MeanJoePhaser]

Daniels probably took it from Archer.

"Earth isn't supposed to have cloaking technology at this time, Captain."

"We weren't supposed to get attacked by Xindi either, you bitch!"

 

[Captain X]

They cloaked it then forgot where they put it.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And I thought Kirk was just being Silly when he said that in Star Trek IV. But there must have been an insidiously dark undertone to that comment if someone as "not mentally retarded" as Johnathan Archer was losing Cloaked Star Ships a hundred years earlier... Well?

 

[Nebusj]

JiNX-01 said:
OTOH, Archer was given a nearly impossible task: to find a species of which humans had never heard in a region of space that was literally being converted into a hostile environment for species living in this universe.

Come to it, why wasn't Archer sent out with redundant backups for every mission-critical component like a warp core? Or had they gone through the backup and had to scrounge again?

(Granted that Earth maybe only had the one verified warp-five core ready; but it did have warp-two and warp-three cores, for the merchant fleet, and surely several of them could be appropriated with rather little trouble by Earth's authorities given the situation.)

 

[Anna Yolei]

JiNX-01 said:
[Archer] would have to be certifiable to just toss up his hands after all they had gone through and say, "Oh, well! Guess we'll have to skip the meeting and just hope for the best!"


I just can't see a balance between aliens who will need 3 years to get home vs. the obliteration of a race.

The aliens Archer stole the core from might have been at risk, but were not certain to die. But if Archer stood Degra up, his only support on the council might have evaporated.

I don't actually blame Archer one damned bit for anything he did.

Me, neither. I wished there had been some follow-up to anything concerning the Xindi war in season four. I'd gladly trade Klingon forehead ridges and Brent Spiner milking out moar money from yet another Data relative to see soem fall-out of season three.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Nebusj said:

JiNX-01 said:
OTOH, Archer was given a nearly impossible task: to find a species of which humans had never heard in a region of space that was literally being converted into a hostile environment for species living in this universe.

Come to it, why wasn't Archer sent out with redundant backups for every mission-critical component like a warp core? Or had they gone through the backup and had to scrounge again?

(Granted that Earth maybe only had the one verified warp-five core ready; but it did have warp-two and warp-three cores, for the merchant fleet, and surely several of them could be appropriated with rather little trouble by Earth's authorities given the situation.)

You have to keep in mind that while they may have part of the same fleet, they parts may not have been interchangeable. The reactors for warp 2 or 3 engines could have been so different that trying to interface the components would have been not worth the time or resources.

Besides, the reactor is likely one of those parts that they figured if a ship is having to replace it mid-mission, they're probably pretty screwed anyways.

 

[KDoug]

Although, when you think about it, an Earth-made component should have a much higher chance of being compatible with Enterprise's systems than a component of alien origin would have. Not that that's ever an issue in Star Trek...

 

[Guy Gardener]

Tucker had a speech about that during A Night in Sickbay.

 

[archeryguy1701]

True enough, but maybe to make things work, they needed a warp five reactor to replace a warp 5 reactor... just a way all the parts work would make a lower model entirely incompatible.
Of course, I"m pulling all this outta my ass and hoping it makes sense.

 

[KDoug]

'Sokay, man.

 

[konitzlee]

I couldn't stand the episode at all. The producers needed to add some pepper to the story so they made Archer pass to the dark side. I understand that he needed to act for a greater purpose, but having to commit an act of piracy and condemning innocent people to a three year long voyage and subsequently not caring about them later is something that the other captains wouldn't have done, wouldn't you say?

 

[Yanks]

Do you think that Enterprise went back to find and help that ship they stole the warp core from after the Expanse collapsed and they finished off the evil alien Nazis?

Only in fan fiction did this happen. the writers never acknowledged them after Damage. I think this could have easily been address with a one line from T'Pol in 'Zero Hour' after Enterprise destroyed Sphere 47.

That's one thing I really wanted to see at the end of the third season or the beginning of the fourth season: Consequences to Archer's actions. I think Starfleet should have court martialed him or something. Oh, well!

Oh, and first post! For me, that is. Hi, fellow Trek BBS posters!

Welcome aboard and Star Fleet without question should have admonished Archer and crew of any and all "wrong-doings". The human race was at stake for gods sake. Archer did what he had to do. If I were Archer I would have confiscated everything usable in that ship, made the Illyrians crew members and completed my mission. (Casey Biggs needed the work anyway :-) )

Considering what happened next week, I was always surprised that the older Enterprise after preparing for a hundred years needed to steal Enterprises plasma injectors, that they didn't have a warp coil prepared and waiting for Enterprise which matched the ships specifications, and buoy with yet another warp coil hadn't been left by for the Illyrians to make up for Archer being such an ass...

Archer wasn't as ass. Maybe traveling back in time isn't as easy as you think... you know, predicting the future and all. There is no reason to believe the Illyrains didn't have a safe albeit long journey home. Especially after those bad sphere-builders were gone and the Xindi weren't hostile anymore. It's more logical to assume that these folks were found by someone like the Xindi and helped home, especially once they found out what happened to them.

 

[Yanks]

Archer should just have used the cell ship to reach Degra and leave those poor dudes alone.

No reason to believe they had the cell ship and it's EASY to understand seeing the Damage that happened the last time he left his ship as to why he didn't want to do it again. He had his crew to think of you know.

Degra should have noticed that Enterprise was broken.

Maybe he did.

If Archer had handed the cell ship in like he was supposed to at any point in time before or after this, then obvious;y Kirks Enterprise would have had a Cloak.

Not true at all. The Federation charter never had to do with the technology, it was about not hiding their values. Only the murderer Sisko uses a cloak as a matter of policy.

 

[Guy Gardener]

(Ha! When the Alerts dragged me into this thread, I thought it was going to be about the legal drama Damages with Glenn Close. )

http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Algeron

In 2311, the Romulan Star Empire got it's ass handed to it so well by the federation that LOGICALLY the Romulan Empire should have been assimilated, and the Romulan people should have all been converted into third class slaves mopping corridors and shit.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH WORK THAT INVOLVES!

(Keeping your foot on 60 trillion throats.)

Julius Caesar went grey trying to keep the Gauls believing that they were Roman. Seriously every 50 years they had to invade and reinvade because the grandchildren of the last lot of Gauls who got invaded didn't quite believe that Rome was a real thing and not a boogy man fairystory.

"We have your nuts over a barrel, pull back, make your new borders here, here and here, dismantle your expeditionary military, defense is fine, you share a massive border with the Klingons and we have no intention of defending you from them, but this all seems fair, we all pretend it's peace time, and that we don't hate each other, and in return, we don't execute every Romulan (male) over the age of ten."

"No."

"Well I guess we're going on a crusade, and we're not going to stop till there's a few trillion of you green blooded shits diced into chunks."

"Cloaking devices."

"Say what now?"

"I can't sell a loss to my people, they'll string me up and start raising private armies to strike back at the Federation. We are petty and we are horrible. You have to make it look like we won, even though I'm more than happy to surrender. Cool?"

"Cloaking devices?"

"If you promise to abandon the technology and never look into at all, I can sell this to the senate as a colossal victory, hells, I can even say that once you admit that you don't have a cloaked fleet somewhere, that the Klingons are likely to murder the lot of you while you're sleeping."

"But we don't use cloaking devices."

"Exactly, so you won't mind not using them."

"But we arn't using them."

"Which seems like a lot of effort on your part, so we appreciate it, a lot."

"To stop using tech that we don't use."

"Do you want a quiet neighbour, or do you want to be kept up all night by the sound of knives sharpening?"

"No cloaks for us. Signed in blood."

"Peace in our time."