D7 K'tinga refit
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She even got the name down pat in no time flat. Does that simply mean that Starfleet maintains extensive records of alien ships long since decommissioned? Or is it further proof of Klingon ship longevity, with IKS Groth still remaining in the active threat register?
(I personally can't imagine Koloth actually broadcasting the ship's name on some sort of an ID beacon. I mean, he wouldn't be trying to hide it or anything, but using a beacon would be way too nice for a Klingon. So I see Kira ID'ing the vessel by warp field signature or somesuch, like threat ships and subs are acoustically ID'd today. Although I guess the hull could also contain markings, even when it "really" does not.)
This is sort of contradicted by the applying of the designation D12 on a generic Bird of Prey in ST:GEN. The D designation there is supposed to distinguish this BoP from other ships of that configuration, so that our heroes can figure out this very model features a fatal weakness in its cloaking systems.
I mean, yes, it could be that D12 refers to all BoPs, and that "they" refers to this specific model, but that sounds like an awkward way of wording it. Certainly all BoPs of that general shape were not "retired"!
Timo Saloniemi
(I personally can't imagine Koloth actually broadcasting the ship's name on some sort of an ID beacon. I mean, he wouldn't be trying to hide it or anything, but using a beacon would be way too nice for a Klingon. So I see Kira ID'ing the vessel by warp field signature or somesuch, like threat ships and subs are acoustically ID'd today. Although I guess the hull could also contain markings, even when it "really" does not.)
This is sort of contradicted by the applying of the designation D12 on a generic Bird of Prey in ST:GEN. The D designation there is supposed to distinguish this BoP from other ships of that configuration, so that our heroes can figure out this very model features a fatal weakness in its cloaking systems.
I mean, yes, it could be that D12 refers to all BoPs, and that "they" refers to this specific model, but that sounds like an awkward way of wording it. Certainly all BoPs of that general shape were not "retired"!
Timo Saloniemi
He can say that after the fact, but that doesn't make it true. GR was known to sat things he thought might be well received even though they were flat out false. In evidence I offer one of his biggest fabrications regarding NBC wanting to ditch the character of Number One because they didn't like the idea of a woman in a commanding role. No, the truth was NBC had no problem with the character of Number One, but they did want GR to replace the actress. Instead GR wrote out the character completely.
Another fallacy is GR claiming he was the one pushing for greater diversity among the ship's crew in the face of NBC's resistance when there is documented evidence showing it was actually NBC interested in featuring more roles for women and minorities rather than GR in the beginning. We also have evidence on film. Look at the all white cast of "The Cage" and then look at how things begin to change with WNMHGB and into the first season.
As creative as he could be GR could also be full of shit.
Aye, I just kinda mix and match "official" stuff into something that makes sense for me. Like I said, they were personal opinions. My own "head canon" as it were, at least on the technical stuff.
I think we both agree that another canon debate would not suit this thread. And I am completely in tune with what you said.
Your Actual Parsecs May Vary.
Yeah, didn't they give the old D-7 more hull detail in DS9?
The ship in "Trials and Tribble-ations" was a Greg Jein original. The general shape and details are of the original but the surface paneling is inspired by the TMP model, though all flush, while the TMP panels have a lot of thickness to them. Also all the colors are new to Jein, the original being green, purple and silver, but the DS9 one being a vaguely greenish gray and maybe some brownish copper areas? Also the lettering is in the modern TMP Klingon form rather than the old MJ angular script that appeared on the original model.
Check it out on Trekcore:
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/5x06/trialstribbleations247.jpg
I really do like the GJ version. I have a mind to alter an AMT D-7 to be the GJ version.
--Alex
Check it out on Trekcore:
http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/5x06/trialstribbleations247.jpg
I really do like the GJ version. I have a mind to alter an AMT D-7 to be the GJ version.
--Alex
There is a nice Revell Klingon D-7 kit which already has all the upper surface detailing from Greg Jein's ship. It is 1/500 scale, somewhat larger than the old AMY kit and has clear windows & engine parts for lighting if you wish. Hard to find now, it was a limited production run but should be found on eBay & such.
We do not discuss it with outsiders.
I have the kit at my home- bought it from the Starship Modeler store when it was first issued.
eBay has one-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Revell-Easy...620?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a12d9f44
YouTube review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hXRy10QLOQ
More info
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/102344-revell-04881-klingon-battle-cruiser-d7
Oh okay, it's Revelle Germany. No wonder I missed it, I generally don't follow European kits since they're a pain in the butt to get a hold of in the states. I'll have to look for that on Amazon (I hate eBay.) It's notable that the wing markings are from the TOS version of the ship rather than the DS9 version.
In other news, I recently bought the Hayne's manual for the Bird of Prey. I was happy to read that the current "official" idea is the more or less what I thought: the Houses pay for, design, and operate ships on their own. They are built at central ship yards operated by the government but other than the actual building, everything else is handled by the Houses. Fun read, I recommend it. (I also have the Star Wars ones for the Millennium Falcon and the Death Star I. So far, I've liked all of these sci-fi Hayne's manuals except the Enterprise one.)
--Alex
In other news, I recently bought the Hayne's manual for the Bird of Prey. I was happy to read that the current "official" idea is the more or less what I thought: the Houses pay for, design, and operate ships on their own. They are built at central ship yards operated by the government but other than the actual building, everything else is handled by the Houses. Fun read, I recommend it. (I also have the Star Wars ones for the Millennium Falcon and the Death Star I. So far, I've liked all of these sci-fi Hayne's manuals except the Enterprise one.)
--Alex
The SSM store is very good at stocking the foreign kits- prices are reasonable also.
The D-7 kit was released along with the TOS-E kit in matching scale. The Enterprise kit is horrible IMO- they got a lot of the proportions and shapes off, probably by following the Animated version. Both kits are hybrids of all available references so they do not match a particular one.
I love the Hayne's series- I have them also. IMO they tried to stuff too much into the Enterprise book and shortchanged the depth. I would like to see them do one on Shuttlecraft eventually.
The D-7 kit was released along with the TOS-E kit in matching scale. The Enterprise kit is horrible IMO- they got a lot of the proportions and shapes off, probably by following the Animated version. Both kits are hybrids of all available references so they do not match a particular one.
I love the Hayne's series- I have them also. IMO they tried to stuff too much into the Enterprise book and shortchanged the depth. I would like to see them do one on Shuttlecraft eventually.
