Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)
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Thank you, I am acquainted with the obvious. But the origin doesn't matter -- I'm talking about how the adaptation uses the ideas it adapts. Within the specific context of the Arrowverse, the Vanishing Point is a concept that hasn't been referenced in years, and that's associated with the most unpopular season of the franchise. So it's unexpected to see it crop up again in such a central role in the big crossover.
I was going to say that Marvel has been frequently referenced as a fictional franchise on Earth-1, but then, Black Lightning's reaction to the Supermen seems to confirm what his show has implied, that other DC heroes are fictional characters on his world. So I guess it's possible that some of these Earths have their own Gardner Foxes who perceive parallel worlds in their dreams and base comic book characters on them.
That's a shame. It kinda does a poo on that world if so.
In which case you misspoke, and in doing so conveyed misinformation, as you described the concept as being from the first season of LoT, rather than having been used in / adapted for LoT.
I'm sure everyone here understands that these shows are based on comic books, so you're just being obnoxious by assuming anyone needs that pointed out to them. I didn't "misspeak," I just didn't assume my listeners were idiots who needed to be mansplained to.
I was disappointed, too, but it also makes sense, as it replaces a non-Arrowverse fan-service character (Routh Superman) with an Arrowverse one the weekly audience would have a connection to (Supergirl Luthor) for the final battle with the Anti-Monitor.
In fairness, does the Arrowverse weekly audience really NOT have a connection to Routh Superman? And by that logic, Ryan Choi would have been a much better replaced person. Maybe they should have had Luthor just be NAMED a paragon to the chagrin of the other heroes.
Well, which is it?
I even looked away during each show's opening credits so I could be surprised by whatever cameos were featured. While the information was out there I don't think you can fault someone who didn't see them or choose to seek them out.
I was wondering where she ended up.
I enjoyed the twist that the Batman we saw was basically the burnt out shell of an evil Batman.
Good point. The cameos and revivals are fun, but ulitmately they need to serve their core characters. If anything, they've been underused up to now because of the guest characters taking up so much space.
Now it's pared down to the leads of all five shows (since Spectre Oliver is still part of it judging from the trailer), plus J'onn, Lex, and Ryan Choi (the odd one out, so presumably he plays a pivotal role). All of them except Ryan are characters we've seen the Monitor testing, either in Elseworlds or in Supergirl starting with last season's finale. (And I guess now we know why he was hanging out in the audience at the Legends' big show in their finale.) Which suggests he wasn't being honest when he claimed not to know the identities of the Paragons.
That's an interesting idea and fits well with how the character is presented in her series. "Humanity" vs "courage" seems a better fit if I was spitballing.
By the way, it occurs to me that since they've now expanded the DC crossovers to include a Vertigo title (Lucifer), that opens the door to an iZombie cameo.
Also, did anyone else think the Huntress/Oracle cameo felt a bit weird just sitting there by itself, unconnected to anything else? I was expecting another montage of cameo Earths dissolving, but it was just the one, so it felt incongruous. I wonder if they were planning to include more cameos that ended up falling through.
While we're on the subject, any guesses why Birds of Prey's world was labeled Earth-203?
Also, did anyone else think the Huntress/Oracle cameo felt a bit weird just sitting there by itself, unconnected to anything else? I was expecting another montage of cameo Earths dissolving, but it was just the one, so it felt incongruous. I wonder if they were planning to include more cameos that ended up falling through.
While we're on the subject, any guesses why Birds of Prey's world was labeled Earth-203?
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Choi makes sense in a meta way. Choi is the Atom in the comics, and since Routh's Atom is leaving Legends, introduing Choi and doing the passing of the baton in Crisis is ideal, as it's exactly the kind of thing the comics would do -- "A hero falls! I must be the Atom now!" That's more Stan Lee than Marv Wolfman, but you take my point. Big crossover events like Crisis are where mantle-passings take place.
Sure, in out-of-story terms, that makes sense. But from an in-story perspective, if he's one of the Paragons, then he must have a pivotal role to play in saving the multiverse. I'm wondering what he can do that Ray couldn't.
By the way, it just occurred to me that what Lex Luthor did with the Book of Destiny is a cosmic-level act of self-insertion fanfic.
You can’t assume that everyone reading your posts knows what you do about the comics...nor can I assume what you know when you make such a misstatement. And I don’t see how the term “mansplain” applies here at all. There’s no gender issue involved.
You’ve routinely dished out three-paragraph corrections to other posters for far less. If you think that I’m being obnoxious, then pot, meet kettle.
I was really disappointed personally because it's Kevin Conroy - the Batman to a certain generation - finally appearing. Having him pass the torch and then die when his Earth was annihilated would've been much more appreciated and would've been nice if our Kate never meets her Bruce for some reason.
I'm not really sure why everybody's so gaga over Cryor's Lex either, do I need to have seen Supergirl to really get the appeal? He seems... rather like a thug trying to make himself something more (and not succeeding like the Kingpin)?
Oliver as the Spectre is excellent though, I've been speculating that might be his fate. It's possible that depending on how much he appears, Oliver might do the Hal Jordan take of turning the Spectre from the Spirit of Vengeance into the Spirit of Redemption.
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"Fuck Batwoman" this time?
Jason
I suppose it might help -- he was a frigging revelation on Sg last year -- but he's been plenty great in this crossover, too. One of its highlights, actually.