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Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)

I'm in a position where I'll have seen Parts 1 and 3 of CoIE in full before getting to see Part 2 in full (since I'll have had to finish it after watching P3 and Crisis Aftermath).
 
Well, Luthor managed to make it interesting, anyway.

Loved the 10 second clip from 1990s Flash.
 
The Flash
Season 6 - Episode 9 - "Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part Three"


Flash/Iris: The constant teasing that one or both were threatened with permanent death was tiresome because from the jump, this crossover was not going to be as bold as the comic series, making 90's Flash's death a ho-hum affair. He simply lacked the weight of the main Flash if he was the one to die.

Black Lightning: "You should have saved my family! Not me! Not me!" Cress Williams maintained the strength of his character and was not swept up as just another costume in this crossover...at least early on. The "heart to heart" with Flash was forced; anyone dealing with raw, recent tragedy (Jefferson) goes through several phases, and sharing / inspirational "let's take that mountain" type moments are rarely--if ever--one of them.

Oliver: He's back, but he's not back. With Spectre being his guide, it almost seals his return as temporary, just sticking around long enough to aid in the restoration (up to a point) of the earths. If he ends up wandering the afterlife--but is content doing it--that would be a satisfactory send-off.

SG/BW: Batwoman carrying Wayne's Kryptonite device was a painfully obvious false tease, as there was no way she would use against Supergirl. Unfortunately, Batwoman was not served well in the crossover so far--she was reduced to a bit player who scowls and not much more. Further, she would have no knowledge of the true potential of the Book of Destiny; even Lex's deliberately brief explanation was not enough to for BW to be so convinced Supergirl would risk anything by using it.

Lex: At least he's not written off as a sniveling coward in the corner. He always has another card to play, and with the Book, he should not feel he has to kowtow to any of the others, which brings this back to who is going to stop him...let me guess....

NOTES: So things wrap up mid January.

GRADE: C.
 
That Spectre scene was very bad. Not only was it incredibly rushed (which is weird considering how many episodes they had to lead to this) but it’s the wrong “Green” superhero to become the the said spirit.

At least we now know what Barry will be during Blackest Night. God I can’t get that image out of my head.

also typical Cryer. This time mooching Superman’s space. And with a method Bender would be proud of. :)
 
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Definitely some surprises tonight, with Lucifer

Oh, and the end of EVERY Earth??? Whoa!

And Luthor sneaking on board with everyone.

Hmm...but the next episode looks like a let down. Just these 7 in a quarry. Final battle at the dawn of time with the anti-Monitor??
 
Yeah, them destroying all the Earths knowing that they are coming back sort of takes away the dire straits from the story. They should have only destroyed a few, and keep them dead.
 
"Other Superman" :guffaw:The more I see of Routh's Superman, the more I wish they'd used him on Supergirl in the first place.

but it’s the wrong “Green” superhero to become the the said spirit.
Well, Ollie already had the green hood thing goin' on.
 
The Flash
Season 6 - Episode 9 - "Crisis on Infinite Earths - Part Three"


Flash/Iris: The constant teasing that one or both were threatened with permanent death was tiresome because from the jump, this crossover was not going to be as bold as the comic series, making 90's Flash's death a ho-hum affair. He simply lacked the weight of the main Flash if he was the one to die.
I get what you're saying...but a couple things would be
1) It challenges "fate" and even though he prepared the team for his death, it looks like he was wrong
2) more important, this helps give the 90's Flash (which was a HUUUUUGE inspiration for today's series) a chance to wrap up. Yeah, we didn't get to know him, like say, Jay Garrick, but for longitme fans.... this was a good end for the character
Black Lightning: "You should have saved my family! Not me! Not me!" Cress Williams maintained the strength of his character and was not swept up as just another costume in this crossover...at least early on. The "heart to heart" with Flash was forced; anyone dealing with raw, recent tragedy (Jefferson) goes through several phases, and sharing / inspirational "let's take that mountain" type moments are rarely--if ever--one of them.
Well, it looks like Black Lightning was added in last minute... cause it would have been more logical to have him be a paragon. I'll take it for now. Also, don't forget the quick connection with Diggle. Should we have a merged Earth, i REALLY want to see Jefferson hang out with Joe West and connect on a variety of levels.
Oliver: He's back, but he's not back. With Spectre being his guide, it almost seals his return as temporary, just sticking around long enough to aid in the restoration (up to a point) of the earths. If he ends up wandering the afterlife--but is content doing it--that would be a satisfactory send-off.
Well, speaking of forced... this was a way to have Ollie fulfill the SPectre role in the comics, without adding yet another character to getto know.
SG/BW: Batwoman carrying Wayne's Kryptonite device was a painfully obvious false tease, as there was no way she would use against Supergirl. Unfortunately, Batwoman was not served well in the crossover so far--she was reduced to a bit player who scowls and not much more. Further, she would have no knowledge of the true potential of the Book of Destiny; even Lex's deliberately brief explanation was not enough to for BW to be so convinced Supergirl would risk anything by using it.
Batwoman was in Elseworlds. Didn't she learn of its power (and problems) then?
Lex: At least he's not written off as a sniveling coward in the corner. He always has another card to play, and with the Book, he should not feel he has to kowtow to any of the others, which brings this back to who is going to stop him...let me guess....
So a ripped page of the book still has power? Weird... and what role could he possibly play against the anti-Monitor now??
NOTES: So things wrap up mid January.

GRADE: C.
I would definitley give it at least a B. Better than the previous 2 episodes.
 
Yeah, them destroying all the Earths knowing that they are coming back sort of takes away the dire straits from the story. They should have only destroyed a few, and keep them dead.
I realized that all the destroyed Earth's were coming back right in the very first scene. The implication, to me anyway, was that Earth 9/DC streaming service Earth was destroyed while Dick Grayson was still Robin. As he has already moved on to the Nightwing identity, his Earth must be restored.
 
The implication, to me anyway, was that Earth 9/DC streaming service Earth was destroyed while Dick Grayson was still Robin. As he has already moved on to the Nightwing identity, his Earth must be restored.
What did you base your assumption on? We only saw Hawk and Jason Todd.
 
What did you base your assumption on? We only saw Hawk and Jason Todd.
Speaking of which, Nightwing should have been one of the heroes they saved. He would have been a fun one to have interact with the heroes.
 
What did you base your assumption on? We only saw Hawk and Jason Todd.
Ha! OK, I actually haven't seen Titans yet and assumed it was Dick Grayson. Still, I definitely got the impression that that world was destroyed by the anti-matter wave, which it obviously won't be moving forward.
 
This was the best of the 3, first one with good pacing and a feeling that things were happening and moving quickly. First two tried to set up a crisis yet not really have anyone do much with urgency
 
Makes you wonder if all these brief cameos of them being wiped out by Anti Matter.... also shot quick reveals of them restored for the finale. Of course no one is revealing that now. Some like Robert Wuhl were discovered by spotted on location. How would sightseers know if more than one brief scene was filmed back to back?
 
And they said Stargirl was going to debut in Crisis. So I wonder how she will fit in during the final two parts...even if it is just a random scene
 
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