Crashed Starfleet ship in STB?

[Hartzilla2007]

^^^ Precisely why I don't think it's the Enterprise or any others in her class. The fact that there is also the absence of a B/C deck under the bridge that goes straight into the upper surface of the primary hull kind of clinches it for me.

Also it the released pictures with Scotty in the new uniform and Kirk in the new away team outfit it looks like their climbing around a ship with a decent amount of dirt or rust on it, if its the same ship as the fed one it might imply it being there for a while.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

^^^ Precisely why I don't think it's the Enterprise or any others in her class. The fact that there is also the absence of a B/C deck under the bridge that goes straight into the upper surface of the primary hull kind of clinches it for me.

Also it the released pictures with Scotty in the new uniform and Kirk in the new away team outfit it looks like their climbing around a ship with a decent amount of dirt or rust on it, if its the same ship as the fed one it might imply it being there for a while.

Maybe it's the Enterprise.. but from the future! No one knows why it's there. But the blue woman does, and her people have saved the only survivor from the wreck. A (now 80-year old) Captain Kirk. Boom! Shatner 50th cameo!

 

[eyeresist]

^^^ Precisely why I don't think it's the Enterprise or any others in her class. The fact that there is also the absence of a B/C deck under the bridge that goes straight into the upper surface of the primary hull kind of clinches it for me.

Also in the released pictures with Scotty in the new uniform and Kirk in the new away team outfit it looks like their climbing around a ship with a decent amount of dirt or rust on it, if its the same ship as the fed one it might imply it being there for a while.

It just occurred to me - maybe the "new" uniforms were actually found aboard the crashed ship?

 

[Timo]

...the bulges on either side of the bridge. They don't look like crash damage, but rather like the natural shape of the saucer.

Even though they are asymmetric with respect to the presumed "bridge forward window cum windscreen"?

I have nothing against laterally asymmetric starships in Trek, but so far we haven't seen any.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[137th Gebirg]

I have nothing against laterally asymmetric starships in Trek, but so far we haven't seen any.

Breen Battlecruiser? Borg Type 3? Or are you referring solely to NuTrek? I don't think the Narada was perfectly symmetrical along the dorsal axis.

 

[Kemaiku]

Starfleet ships, as that's all we're talking about, this being a Federation ship that's crashed.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Ah - right. I suppose the only one that would even come close to being even remotely asymmetrical would be the Delta Flyer with its wonky windshield, but that's about it.

 

[Timo]

Yes, that's what I had in mind and poorly tried to express.

And although my very favorite Federation "damsel in distress" or sidekick starships are those John Eaves creations with pronounced asymmetry, I fear those never even made it to Star Trek Online...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Mr. Nova]

...the bulges on either side of the bridge. They don't look like crash damage, but rather like the natural shape of the saucer.

Even though they are asymmetric with respect to the presumed "bridge forward window cum windscreen"?

I have nothing against laterally asymmetric starships in Trek, but so far we haven't seen any.

Timo Saloniemi

After re-looking at the photos I see your point about the asymmetric bulges. My main point is that this does not appear to be the Enterprise because of the bulges but must be a Federation ship of a different class due to the shape of the view screen. Also, the view screen looks slightly different in detail on close examination, though it could be due to crash damage.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

Crashed ship in Dubai.

 

[Tarek71]

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/di...crash-land-in-vancouver-for-star-trek-beyond/

It looks like a crashed Federation starship. What do you think?

Could be an NX class, Daedalus Class or some other old ship that crashed a 100 years before. Or maybe another contemporary Starfleet ship was sent to investigate something, was never heard from again and Nu Enterprise goes to investigate. Or maybe it's a ship from the "Prime" timeline. Lots of possibilities.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/di...crash-land-in-vancouver-for-star-trek-beyond/

It looks like a crashed Federation starship. What do you think?

Could be an NX class, Daedalus Class or some other old ship that crashed a 100 years before. Or maybe another contemporary Starfleet ship was sent to investigate something, was never heard from again and Nu Enterprise goes to investigate. Or maybe it's a ship from the "Prime" timeline. Lots of possibilities.

Well, technically any ship (NX, Daedalus, Kelvin, ec...) from before 2233 is from the prime timeline.

 

[Tarek71]

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/08/di...crash-land-in-vancouver-for-star-trek-beyond/

It looks like a crashed Federation starship. What do you think?

Could be an NX class, Daedalus Class or some other old ship that crashed a 100 years before. Or maybe another contemporary Starfleet ship was sent to investigate something, was never heard from again and Nu Enterprise goes to investigate. Or maybe it's a ship from the "Prime" timeline. Lots of possibilities.

Well, technically any ship (NX, Daedalus, Kelvin, ec...) from before 2233 is from the prime timeline.

Indeed. I was thinking of a Prime Constitution Class, but yes, the 22nd Century ones should be identical.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

Well, technically any ship (NX, Daedalus, Kelvin, ec...) from before 2233 is from the prime timeline.

Indeed. I was thinking of a Prime Constitution Class, but yes, the 22nd Century ones should be identical.

If you're following the discussion on the STAR TREK BEYOND thread, you'll see that there is speculation that the crashed ship could indeed be a TOS Connie.

Although the TOS Enterprise was supposedly launched in 2245 (granted that date is non-canon), there's nothing that prohibits the design from pre-dating Nero's incursion. The edited establishing shot of Marcus' office) footage from STiD shows such a ship (again "non-canon" -- but if the time and energy was taken to make the scene, is it still really non-canon? After all, I saw it on a screen!...).

In my view, three possibilities exist: (1) it could be a first-generation Constitution that isn't the Enterprise; (2) it could be the original TOS Enterprise that *was* built in 2245, commanded by Robert April, but lost very shortly thereafter, or (3) none of the above.

I think (2) would be a great 50th present -- and I think Pegg and Lin would love the nod.

 

[Tarek71]

Well, technically any ship (NX, Daedalus, Kelvin, ec...) from before 2233 is from the prime timeline.

Indeed. I was thinking of a Prime Constitution Class, but yes, the 22nd Century ones should be identical.

If you're following the discussion on the STAR TREK BEYOND thread, you'll see that there is speculation that the crashed ship could indeed be a TOS Connie.

Although the TOS Enterprise was supposedly launched in 2245 (granted that date is non-canon), there's nothing that prohibits the design from pre-dating Nero's incursion. The edited establishing shot of Marcus' office) footage from STiD shows such a ship (again "non-canon" -- but if the time and energy was taken to make the scene, is it still really non-canon? After all, I saw it on a screen!...).

In my view, three possibilities exist: (1) it could be a first-generation Constitution that isn't the Enterprise; (2) it could be the original TOS Enterprise that *was* built in 2245, commanded by Robert April, but lost very shortly thereafter, or (3) none of the above.

I think (2) would be a great 50th present -- and I think Pegg and Lin would love the nod.

Some connection back to the Primeverse would be awesome. Since the two quantum realities (Prime and Nu) exist in parallel to one another it would be great if a Constitution Class crossed through a "quantum fissure" (or somesuch) and crashed in the NuVerse.

It would also be nice if it were an Enterprise. Yeah, maybe there's a way it can be both. I assumed up to now that the TOS Enterprise was the orginal Constitution Class Enterprise, but maybe it was the second of that class.

 

[137th Gebirg]

It does look like the outer edge of a primary hull, but I cannot think of any we've seen before that look like that one in particular. The angle of the edge, those openings that appear to be large windows. If it's a PrimeVerse ship, it's nothing that we've seen on-screen before that I can ascertain.

 

[eyeresist]

They're not windows, they're hatches. This is possibly an emergency evacuation method we haven't seen before. But I think it extremely unlikely this is a Primeverse ship. Remember Orci's script was rejected for being too dependent on old continuity (as with NuKhan and Old Spock in STID). All signs point to something fresh.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

It does look like the outer edge of a primary hull, but I cannot think of any we've seen before that look like that one in particular. The angle of the edge, those openings that appear to be large windows. If it's a PrimeVerse ship, it's nothing that we've seen on-screen before that I can ascertain.

Pull up a pic of the TOS 1701, and you'll see an angled edge plus square window exactly like the ones in the set.

Remember Orci's script was rejected for being too dependent on old continuity (as with NuKhan and Old Spock in STID). All signs point to something fresh.

I'm going to guess Orci's script was rejected because it either made too many unnecessary "namedropping" callbacks to prime continuity, or the story itself was too enmeshed in it.

As I've argued, there doesn't need to be anything here that is based on prime *continuity*. The ship can be TOS style without any associated baggage. It's just an earlier design of the Constitution class that unfortunately ended up on a planet. If the ship is the original Enterprise, we get an origin story about Robert April (if they choose to go that route) and how his Enterprise went missing -- but since nothing about April is known, it's still a fresh story.

 

[Shark]

Well, the newest pics from Dubai show a rusty section. Either it's weathered like the original Enterprise or the ship crashed long ago and has aged accordingly.

Here's the Archon from the comics if anyone's interested: http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net...chon_AR.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150108161202

 

[137th Gebirg]

It does look like the outer edge of a primary hull, but I cannot think of any we've seen before that look like that one in particular. The angle of the edge, those openings that appear to be large windows. If it's a PrimeVerse ship, it's nothing that we've seen on-screen before that I can ascertain.

Pull up a pic of the TOS 1701, and you'll see an angled edge plus square window exactly like the ones in the set.

Pretty familiar with the TOS 1701. Intimately so, for the past 41 years, in fact. That edge looks nothing like the prime-E's primary hull. If it's a part of the same ship segment we saw earlier with the bridge opening, it's definitely not the TOS Enterprise. Something totally new.