Countdown #3 official review thread [Spoilers]

[Timofnine]

Some jellyfish, BTW, are able to withstand water pressure at depths that would crush human beings and kill many other creatures.

And considering the nature of the Jellyfish ship, I bet that was part of the thinking behind the writers naming it....maybe what even inspired it's look?

 

[Praetor]

It is, but am I the only one finding it lame that it's actually called 'the Jellyfish'?

No, you're not. It does sound strange.

I was actually reminded of this fellow ...

But I like the design of that particular ship.

Maybe the ship shoud be called the Patrick?

 

[shapeshifter]

I wonder who the "pilot" of the jellyfish Spock says has agreed to help them is?

Looking at this picture of it, http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5470/stount09.jpg and comparing it to this, http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/m...Time_travel_pod_(31st_century)_launch_bay.jpg I see a similarity.

Notice the jellyfish appears to have two parts. One part with an 'eye' tucked inside a second part that has curved engines.

Now imagine the eye part removed from the engine part, take away the eye and view the remaining part from behind. See how the second IMG looks like it could be that part of the jellyfish viewed from the back?

 

[Praetor]

Vulcan having a Senate and a Praetor sill seems strange to me.

On 'Enterprise' Vulcan appeared to be led by someone called an 'Administrator' who was in cahoots with the Romulans. Perhaps after T'Pau and the Syrranites overtake the government they decided to revert to a more traditionally-based government structure, which would explain the similarities to that of their Romulan cousins? Alternatively, perhaps it was there all along and the Administrator title was something wholly separate.

So when Nero's ship modified and how does a Mining ship get Borg Tech?

The entire Romulan ruling council managed to escape before Romulus was destroyed.
Nero, after witnessing the destruction, beams them onboard, extracts information from them and murders them.
One piece of info he gets from the senators is the location and codes for a top secret, advanced military facility which would also be used as a safe haven for the High council in cases of severe threats to the homeworld.

Nero goes there, lies about the senators' fate, gives the codes and is allowed to enter the facility.
Commander of the facility D'Spal shows him some of the weapons they have been working on which are retrofitted Borg technology applied to Romulan designs.
The new tech supposedly gives to a ship superior warp, cloaking and sensor capabilities beyond the Federations wildest dreams.
It also has the ability to learn. It has self-repairing nanotechnology which also anticipates potential threats and modifies systems accordingly, growing the ship to adapt.

D'Spal tells Nero that she will use his vessel as a prototype for the technology and so Nero eventually gets an updated Narada.

That's almost exactly what I expected. And awesome. I want one for my D'Deridex.

 

[ThereAre4Lights]

What was all the talk about missing Federation ships? They found the frozen romulan bodies in space, but not the debris of the three Olympics destroyed by Nero?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Vulcan having a Senate and a Praetor sill seems strange to me.

On 'Enterprise' Vulcan appeared to be led by someone called an 'Administrator' who was in cahoots with the Romulans. Perhaps after T'Pau and the Syrranites overtake the government they decided to revert to a more traditionally-based government structure, which would explain the similarities to that of their Romulan cousins? Alternatively, perhaps it was there all along and the Administrator title was something wholly separate.

After the fall of the Vulcan High Command, we saw that the new government was led by a Minister (Kuvak).

And I highly doubt a pacifist, peaceful race like the Vulcans would allow themselves to be ruled by a title as militaristic as "Praetor".

 

[RAMA]

Given some of the nicknames which have been attached to real-world air and water craft over the years, both experimental models and production, I don't think it's all that strange. At least "Jellyfish" seems to describe its appearance, rather than its shortcomings (as is often the case with such nicknames.)

I agree that it is not at all strange to nickname a vessel with a colloquial name. It's just that I think that "Jellyfish" sounds strange. I'm not able to put a finger on something specific, but I guess its strangeness is rooted in the mere phonetic of the word.

Calling someone a "jellyfish" isn't exactly a complement, either. Also, jellyfish are rather fragile and ephemeral structures, aren't they? So given the kind of ship it's supposed to be, incredibly rugged and can go anywhere, maybe there's some irony in the name?

Some of you guys are getting ridiculous, its just an affectionate nickname.

RAMA

 

[RAMA]

Given some of the nicknames which have been attached to real-world air and water craft over the years, both experimental models and production, I don't think it's all that strange. At least "Jellyfish" seems to describe its appearance, rather than its shortcomings (as is often the case with such nicknames.)

I agree that it is not at all strange to nickname a vessel with a colloquial name. It's just that I think that "Jellyfish" sounds strange. I'm not able to put a finger on something specific, but I guess its strangeness is rooted in the mere phonetic of the word.

Calling someone a "jellyfish" isn't exactly a complement, either. Also, jellyfish are rather fragile and ephemeral structures, aren't they? So given the kind of ship it's supposed to be, incredibly rugged and can go anywhere, maybe there's some irony in the name?

Some of you guys are getting ridiculous, its just an affectionate nickname. Even so jelly fish are pretty dangerous. I guess you guys don't live near the ocean?

RAMA

 

[Rat Boy]

Data: "Sir. Is the appellation 'Jellyfish' to be the vessel's official name?"

Picard: "No, it is not!"

 

[Sharr Khan]

And I highly doubt a pacifist, peaceful race like the Vulcans would allow themselves to be ruled by a title as militaristic as "Praetor".

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/praetor

an ancient Roman magistrate ranking below a consul and having chiefly judicial functions

Sharr

 

[SalvorHardin]

Vulcan having a Senate and a Praetor sill seems strange to me.

On 'Enterprise' Vulcan appeared to be led by someone called an 'Administrator' who was in cahoots with the Romulans. Perhaps after T'Pau and the Syrranites overtake the government they decided to revert to a more traditionally-based government structure, which would explain the similarities to that of their Romulan cousins? Alternatively, perhaps it was there all along and the Administrator title was something wholly separate.

After the fall of the Vulcan High Command, we saw that the new government was led by a Minister (Kuvak).

And I highly doubt a pacifist, peaceful race like the Vulcans would allow themselves to be ruled by a title as militaristic as "Praetor".

Even in ancient Rome the title Praetor was not a title that was assigned only to military commanders.
It was a title that elected officials also carried. Judges, governors etc etc

I don't see why Vulcans can't have a Praetor or praetors

And let's not forget that Vulcans before Surak were not the fuzzy, loving, peaceful race they later became. Quite the opposite.

 

[Sharr Khan]

And let's not forget that Vulcans before Surak were not the fuzzy, loving, peaceful race they later became. Quite the opposite.

I've always thought that they still aren't all fuzzy, that in truth what outsiders see of Vulcan's is a kind of facade they've agreed as a group to present to the universe.

Sharr

 

[Praetor]

On 'Enterprise' Vulcan appeared to be led by someone called an 'Administrator' who was in cahoots with the Romulans. Perhaps after T'Pau and the Syrranites overtake the government they decided to revert to a more traditionally-based government structure, which would explain the similarities to that of their Romulan cousins? Alternatively, perhaps it was there all along and the Administrator title was something wholly separate.

After the fall of the Vulcan High Command, we saw that the new government was led by a Minister (Kuvak).

And I highly doubt a pacifist, peaceful race like the Vulcans would allow themselves to be ruled by a title as militaristic as "Praetor".

Even in ancient Rome the title Praetor was not a title that was assigned only to military commanders.
It was a title that elected officials also carried. Judges, governors etc etc

I don't see why Vulcans can't have a Praetor or praetors

And let's not forget that Vulcans before Surak were not the fuzzy, loving, peaceful race they later became. Quite the opposite.

QFT. I happen to like the title.

 

[Thor Damar]

^ Me too. Though I prefer Legate of course

 

[shapeshifter]

And let's not forget that Vulcans before Surak were not the fuzzy, loving, peaceful race they later became. Quite the opposite.

I've always thought that they still aren't all fuzzy, that in truth what outsiders see of Vulcan's is a kind of facade they've agreed as a group to present to the universe.

Sharr

I've read a few novels in which the authors of said novels apparently agreed with your assessment of them.

This is one of the reasons I could stand ENT; it, at least, made the Vulcan's canon interesting again.

 

[CordrazineOD]

And let's not forget that Vulcans before Surak were not the fuzzy, loving, peaceful race they later became. Quite the opposite.

I've always thought that they still aren't all fuzzy, that in truth what outsiders see of Vulcan's is a kind of facade they've agreed as a group to present to the universe.

Sharr

I've read a few novels in which the authors of said novels apparently agreed with your assessment of them.

This is one of the reasons I could stand ENT; it, at least, made the Vulcan's canon interesting again.

I also think the Vulcans were one of the few things ENT got right.

 

[miraclefan]

What was all the talk about missing Federation ships? They found the frozen romulan bodies in space, but not the debris of the three Olympics destroyed by Nero?

I wonderd about that too? Then I figured that the ''NARADA'' must somehow ''Asimilate'' the debris, restructure the materail and ad it to the ships hull! Maybe it also used ''debris'' to repair itself if damaged? Just a thought.

 

[Praetor]

That would make the Narada the most powerful non-Borg superweapon/vessel since the Planet Killer.

 

[SalvorHardin]

Nero destroyed the Olympics before refitting the Narada with Borg technology.
So he couldn't have assimilated anything back then, even if the Narada could do that.

 

[miraclefan]

Nero destroyed the Olympics before refitting the Narada with Borg technology.
So he couldn't have assimilated anything back then, even if the Narada could do that.

Hrrm...Good point! I have a feeling that there has ''got'' to be more going on here? Maybe someone ''else'' dealt with the ''debris''? Because all that debris just culden't have just up and ''Vanish'' like that, could it?