Could this be set in the Kelvin timeline?
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How is that less progressive?
Maybe look up the definition of 'Good Ole Boy' before asking that question.
They’re nothing like that though.
Nor does it mean we must regard CBS as liars either.
Largely because that is a false equivalency fallacy, as the two are not similar. These are the Voyages takes established and known lore (largely Riker's timeline in Pegasus) and completely upturns it and takes away from the impact of the original episode.Star Trek Discovery reminds me of ENT "These are the Voyages" except with better special effects. As with ENT "These are the Voyages": things don't look right, finds itself tripping over continuity, there's disconnected from the shows, has some action but the story seems thrown together with backstory added. I don't mind watching ENT "These are the Voyages" but it's not the ideal trek episode. Like ENT "These are the Voyages", Discovery is "ehh" trek. How people could be so critical of an episode like ENT "These are the Voyages" but give Discovery a free pass doesn't make much sense to me.
Discovery takes an era of Trek largely unexplored and adds to it.
Agree. The crew set up, as well as their interactions between Archer, T'Pol and Trip all came across as very awkward and stereotypical. The fact that the female characters were often relegated to either lecturing the male characters and being proven wrong, or being a bit part.
Different than he was in one episode? Do you really think that's who Pike would have been if the character and actor had been retained for the series. We see Pike after he had one very bad day. By the end of that episode he was pretty much over it.
And yet after having watched Star Trek for more than 25 years, that is the exact impression Enterprise left me.
Well I don't know what to say.
In this case, I'd agree: this was my impression, too, and one of the things that worked against my enjoyment of Enterprise.
However I did say Discovery had better special effects pointing out a difference right there. As far as backstory goes Discovery attempted to attract fans by giving us Sarek, Amanda, Pike, Spock, calling the main character a relative of Spock, and the Enterprise itself in order to help draw fans in to watch. These are the voyages used Riker, Troi, and the Enterprise-D to pull fans in.
We see the generation of the era Discovery takes place is explored within TOS, and the Kelvin movies. This era is talked about in the 24th century providing us retcon after retcon because of it. Someone could say the 24th century has also been largely unexplored too using this same reasoning then start a new series on some random ship. I think both of these eras have been explored enough myself.
The series was already cancelled, that wasn’t needed.
That finale is best left forgotten.
DSC succeeds while ENT failed rather spectacularly. "These are the Voyages" demonstrated a fundamental disrespect to people who enjoyed the ENT characters by focusing on the TNG characters.
Again, false equivalency.
To each their own. TOS has 70 some odd hours while the 24th century has 3 series. I think one has more room to explore and add to lore, while the 24th century and 25th century interest me very little.
Do you mean Pike's temperament throughout the first three acts of The Cage, or the different-temperament Pike we saw by the end if that episode -- a change that came about during the events of that episode?
As Pike and Boyce both openly admitted, Pike was not acting like himself when the episode opened -- and Pike gave a valid reason for being so gloomy and detached. However, by the end of it, we saw a looser and a little more good-natured man.
If the series would have continued, I bet the more loose, engaging, and good-natured Pike we saw at the end of The Cage is likely what we would have got rather than the detached and aloof guy we saw at the beginning.
Archer and Trip always struck me as these "aw shucks" rubes who weren't very good at encountering other cultures.
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As midnights edge just pointed out in their latest video, there are 3 timelines:-
Original timeline:- all trek made before 2009
Prime timeline:- all Trek made for cbs all access and the timeline where Romulus is destroyed at the start of Star Trek 2009.
Kelvin timeline:- the three Chris Pine movies created by the destruction of the USS Kelvin.
DIS apologists say DIS is set in the prime timeline and they are correct, although this is a different timeline to the original one.
Original timeline:- all trek made before 2009
Prime timeline:- all Trek made for cbs all access and the timeline where Romulus is destroyed at the start of Star Trek 2009.
Kelvin timeline:- the three Chris Pine movies created by the destruction of the USS Kelvin.
DIS apologists say DIS is set in the prime timeline and they are correct, although this is a different timeline to the original one.
I stopped reading right here.
It doesn’t mean they’re wrong. If you want to believe DIS is setting the same continuity as TOS, then maybe your eyes need testing....
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