Nope. In Into Darkness, the Klingons are a largely unknown threat "coming our way" in 2259. In Disco, they had a war in 2256-7.
Yes Disco looks a lot like the Kelvin movies, but it's its own thing.
Could this be set in the Kelvin timeline?
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Yes Disco looks a lot like the Kelvin movies, but it's its own thing.
I suspect CBS did some market research and discovered that a few Trekkies will unquestioningly buy anything that says "prime" on the tin. You know, the kind of people who keep paying Alex Peters money. And they want every single subscriber they can get for their new streaming platform.
But that's just my theory.
We do not get to decide what the show IS. If the showrunners say it's prime, then it's prime, and it's not our place to question.
We can decide if we LIKE the show or not, but nobody gets to say what something IS except those who made it.
Sure we do. They aren't in our living rooms and they aren't in our heads, and I doubt CBS gives two shits whether I see it as Prime, Kelvin or the Red-Green universe as long as I'm paying my $11 a month.
"They say so" as an answer to how one sees literature/entertainment is a frightening thought to me. I base it on how I see it.
While we can accept that will be the official party line, we can read between the lines too. Clearly, when they started making huge changes like re-imagining the Klingons and their ships from scratch (minor S2 backpeddling aside) and totally changing the established look of "The Cage" and TOS... and we've got the infamous "25%" line from John Eaves... someone very important is deliberately treating the series like a reboot. And that's before you get to things like retconning all of Trek's technology into the pre-TOS period, altering character backstories, ignoring lines from episodes.
Disco is officially Prime Universe, but to me and many others, it's a new version of Trek. And that doesn't make it any lesser.
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"Hey, I thought this guy was pissing down my leg, but he swears it's raining, so y'know, bring your umbrellas, folks."
Bingo.
The writing of season one to me was bad. It didn't make any difference what universe it was set in. Season two has been better. Still didn't make any difference what universe it was set in.
Which has already been proven false.
Proven by who? CBS shut Eaves up pretty quick, which makes me think he was actually right. In order to sell new licenses to TOS material under the Discovery banner, things had to be changed.
There is not one shred of proof that the lawyers required DSC to be 25% different. Absolutely none. Whoever came up with that number - Eaves or somebody else - was making it up.
That he was told to make it 25% different? No. CBS announced they could have used the TOS Enterprise if they wished. Not that Eaves wasn't told to make the Enterprise 25% different by somebody.
(and even then, there are people out there saying there's more to the story, but that's irrelevant)
So none of us knows John Eaves, yet we're comfortable claiming he made something up (essentially calling him a liar) just so we can keep with the company line.
Nice.
John Eaves got in trouble for saying something he shouldn't have. Nobody said he lied or even that he was wrong. It's all in the wording. For reference
Like I said in another thread, each time we see a new prequel, it's always after a time travel event from the future introduced newer to the canon. We're seeing the Prime Universe after repeated temporal interference from 2373, 2387, the 26th, 29th and 31st centuries culmulatively battering it's internal continuity.
Which means, in all honesty, that there are a bunch of timelines that can be called "Prime". Broad strokes are relatively the same, the details vary.
Yeah. Within a day of posting that on his Facebook, the comment was deleted, and Eaves's Facebook account deleted. Though his other social media accounts are still around, they haven't been updated since that day. Sounds like a gag order to me.
ah, the old conflict between 'authorial intent' and 'death of the author' shows up again. both have their shortcomings, both have their merits. in the end, it doesn't matter what your approach is, as long as you enjoy the product.
that said, it is totally prime
that said, it is totally prime
He actually disappeared again last week. As of this morning when I checked they were still all gone.
OK, I guess I have to ask: in what way does it do this? I'd be curious to hear your perspective.
Nope. It take place in roughly the same time period. So unless there are two Spocks, two Pikes, two Enterprises and two Vulcans, it seems unlikely.
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