Could this be set in the Kelvin timeline?

[Emperor-Tiberius]

Basically, I don't like the way this series stamps on the TOS timeline and hos un-Trek-ish it is... however I do enjoy it as a show regardless of that. So I was wondering, as I did not delve into the second season yet, how could the show fit in the Kelvin timeline, and if anything wherein prevents such connection.

 

[PixelMagic]

No, because the producers said it's prime. /thread

 

[BillJ]

Basically, I don't like the way this series stamps on the TOS timeline and hos un-Trek-ish it is... however I do enjoy it as a show regardless of that. So I was wondering, as I did not delve into the second season yet, how could the show fit in the Kelvin timeline, and if anything wherein prevents such connection.

The continued existence of Vulcan.

I just treat it as a third timeline. Most of the broadstrokes match, the details are different.

No, because the producers said it's prime. /thread

So Pathways and Mosaic are canon because the producers at the time said it was? Things change.

 

[Lord Garth]

The events in the Abrams Films and the events in Discovery don't fit together. I don't have time to do a paragraphs-long breakdown.

But the Enterprise in DSC looks nothing like the Enterprise in the Abrams Films. DSC currently takes place in late-2257 or early-2258 and the Enterprise in the films was under construction from at least 2255 to 2258. The two versions of the ship couldn't be more different.

Moreover, Starfleet is concerned about a Klingon War happening in Star Trek Into Darkness whereas in DSC -- at this point -- it's already happened. They don't fit together. Section 31 in DSC wouldn't need Khan's insight. And Starfleet in DSC would have their own recent experience to draw from whereas in Into Darkness it seems like they didn't.

 

[Greg Cox]

So Pathways and Mosaic are canon because the producers at the time said it was? Things change.

Comments on tie-in novels are kinda a different thing. "When and where is your show set?" is sorta a bigger deal.

DISCO and the reboot movies are two different things, even though people keep trying to conflate them.

 

[pst]

could or should've? but that ship has sailed.

 

[DaveyNY]

The continued existence of Vulcan.

I just treat it as a third timeline. Most of the broadstrokes match, the details are different.



So Pathways and Mosaic are canon because the producers at the time said it was? Things change.

Yes things do change, but no matter how hard you try, DISCOVERY IS in the Prime Time line and that's because the Producers AT THIS TIME, say it is.

I'm willing to adjust my In-Universe thinking a little bit, for the visual stuff, but it's only because ENTERPRISE gave us something to work with in the Temporal Cold War.

Nothing shown in DISCOVERY so far though (as far as I'm concerned), has really changed what little we knew of this time period.
It has ADDED a whole bunch of new stuff which I find lovely.
YMMV

 

[BillJ]

"When and where is your show set?" is sorta a bigger deal.

I don't think it is. There's nothing about Discovery that makes me think of TOS, or really, the supposed Prime timeline. Erase a few names and it could just as easily be a post-Nemesis series in my eyes. Especially where the look is concerned.

 

[BillJ]

I'm willing to adjust my In-Universe thinking a little bit, for the visual stuff, but it's only because ENTERPRISE gave us something to work with in the Temporal Cold War.

How is it still the "Prime" timeline if the Temporal Cold War has caused changes?

 

[Campe]

I can accept the idea that it takes place in a different universe. But Kelvin it is not.

The biggest reason is because of the Enterprise herself. in Trek 2009 set in 2258, Pike very clearly suggests that they're on the maiden voyage. Not to get too spoilery, but the Enterprise in Disco is said to have just completed a five year mission. Season 2 of Disco takes place in 2257.

To me, its a moot point anyway. It can take place in seven different universes at the same time. It ain't perfect but I find it entertaining.

 

[DaveyNY]

How is it still the "Prime" timeline if the Temporal Cold War has caused changes?

You must have missed the part where I said "My In-Universe Thinking".

What I think, doesn't change the Producers Intent.

 

[The Wormhole]

It's definitely not the Kelvin timeline. This season takes place in the same year STID is set. As we see, Pike is still a captain and commanding the Enterprise, with Number One his first officer, and Spock is a Lieutenant. Also in STID there hadn't yet been a Klingon War, since Marcus's whole thing was to prepare Starfleet for the inevitable war with the Klingons.

Really I'll never understand why they didn't go ahead and make this set in a whole new universe anyway. It would have given them more storytelling freedom and they'd instantly be able to shut everyone up who tried whining about it being too advanced looking without having to resort to bogus statements like "visuals aren't canon." And aside from the fact the Prime Universe is the Star Trek franchise's security blanket, is there any real reason it had to be set in the Prime Universe instead of a new continuity?

 

[Hythlodeus]

Nothing shown in DISCOVERY so far though (as far as I'm concerned), has really changed what little we knew of this time period.
It has ADDED a whole bunch of new stuff which I find lovely.

so much THIS

 

[PixelMagic]

So Pathways and Mosaic are canon because the producers at the time said it was? Things change.

I'm not familiar with what those are.

 

[saddestmoon]

Really I'll never understand why they didn't go ahead and make this set in a whole new universe anyway. It would have given them more storytelling freedom and they'd instantly be able to shut everyone up who tried whining about it being too advanced looking without having to resort to bogus statements like "visuals aren't canon." And aside from the fact the Prime Universe is the Star Trek franchise's security blanket, is there any real reason it had to be set in the Prime Universe instead of a new continuity?

CBS having cake and eating it also perhaps?

 

[Greg Cox]

I'm not familiar with what those are.

Short answer: They were a couple of VOYAGER novels written by Jeri Taylor. Because she was one of the creators of the TV show, they were assumed to be more "canon" than your typical Trek novel, and Taylor may well have regarded them as such, but subsequent show runners felt free to contradict them once she had moved on.

Again, this had to nothing to do with the actual TV series, just a couple of tie-in books.

 

[seigezunt]

I don't know why this it's so important for people to go along this line of thinking, "it's not really the Prime Timeline! They're trying to trick us into liking it! Hold fast!"

They've said it's the Prime Timeline, and barring some insane amount of fanwank that would literally serve no point, that's probably how it will stay.

The TOS period is a huge wilderness, and setting it near that has been a wise move in terms of creativity, despite what so many claim when they say "it would work better set after VOY."

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm not familiar with what those are.

Voyager novels written by Jeri Taylor. At the time some studio sources tried to claim they were canon, though Pocket Books was always adamant they were not. Regardless, after Taylor left, the show contradicted the books anyway.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I don't think it is.

Fortunately, it's not up to us.

There's nothing about Discovery that makes me think of TOS

It's not supposed to.

How is it still the "Prime" timeline if the Temporal Cold War has caused changes?

Because there's no proof that those "changes" weren't part of the timeline all along.

 

[BillJ]

Fortunately, it's not up to us.

Sure it is. Any story is going to have different meanings to different people. Interpretation is a big thing in literature and entertainment, or else we wouldn't have had all these discussions over the years.