Could there be anything left from the culture of the Kumumgah on Tatooine?

[Unimatrix Q]

Wonder how much Kumumgah culture changed and how much of it might be left in the Jawas and Sandpeople. And how the change may have exactly happened and over which amount of time?

And could there be anything left at all from their beautiful cities on Tatooine?

 

[O'Dib]

I'm not certain canon is keeping both species being native to Tatooine, considering we've seen Jawas live similarly offworld in mando.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I'm not certain canon is keeping both species being native to Tatooine, considering we've seen Jawas live similarly offworld in mando.

According to Wookieepedia, at least the Kumumgah themselves have become canon. I guess the part of them being the precursors of the Sandpeople stayed the same.

But it's possible that Sandpeople and Jawas may not be related anymore.

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kumumgah

 

[Reverend]

I've always liked the idea that the Tuskens & Jawas descended from a pre-apocalypse common ancestor.
It's long been my head-canon that they're like Tatooine's version of the Morlocks and Eloi, where one group stayed close to the retreating surface waters until they became too saline saturated and toxic to support life, forcing them to eek a living on the dunes and rocky wastes that their physiology and culture had already become adapted to. While the other group retreated underground, depending on their machines to live, seeking out hidden subterranean aquafers, becoming smaller, more adapted to the tight spaces, low light m and intensely close communal living. Eventually being forced to venture back to the surface to seek out salvage to repair and maintain the ancient machines that keep their vast underground warrens alive.

As for Jawas being seen off world: unlike the Tuskens they're not shy about interacting with the offworlders, many even dwelling in the cities. Presumably this has been true for generations, perhaps even millennia as it was in the old EU. is it really so hard to believe that over that time several clans have managed to buy passage off world to other less harsh backwater planets on a bulk freighter or something?

 

[O'Dib]

You're right re: Jawas, wookiepedia agrees.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

I've always liked the idea that the Tuskens & Jawas descended from a pre-apocalypse common ancestor.
It's long been my head-canon that they're like Tatooine's version of the Morlocks and Eloi, where one group stayed close to the retreating surface waters until they became too saline saturated and toxic to support life, forcing them to eek a living on the dunes and rocky wastes that their physiology and culture had already become adapted to. While the other group retreated underground, depending on their machines to live, seeking out hidden subterranean aquafers, becoming smaller, more adapted to the tight spaces, low light m and intensely close communal living. Eventually being forced to venture back to the surface to seek out salvage to repair and maintain the ancient machines that keep their vast underground warrens alive.

As for Jawas being seen off world: unlike the Tuskens they're not shy about interacting with the offworlders, many even dwelling in the cities. Presumably this has been true for generations, perhaps even millennia as it was in the old EU. is it really so hard to believe that over that time several clans have managed to buy passage off world to other less harsh backwater planets on a bulk freighter or something?

Yeah. Same with me.

Wonder how long it did take for the Kumumgah to split into Tuskens and Jawas, what the process have been like and what exactly happened on Tatooine during all these millennia until the other species arrived on that planet.

 

[Ithekro]

If we are talking Infinite Empire era catastrophe, than it will be more than 25,000 years.

 

[O'Dib]

Yep, the canon source for their name is an in-universe text called Legend of Lehon, Lehon being the name of Rakatan homeworld.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

If we are talking Infinite Empire era catastrophe, than it will be more than 25,000 years.

In Legends the Tusken were already around approximately 4000 years before the battle of Yavin, according to KOTOR.

 

[Reverend]

It should probably take at least a few tens of thousands of years for the two divergent groups speciate to that extent. Whether they even bother to bring the Rakata or the Infinite Empire into it in canon is neither here nor there as far as I'm concerned. I'd be just as happy if the climate change came about through the hubris of the native population, a natural disaster, or just the natural cycles of Tatooine's ecosphere entering an arid age, the way more temperate world might experience an ice age.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

The early history of Tatooine seems to be the same as in Legends, according to the canonization of the Kumumgah.

It would be interesting to speculate about the different historical phases and periods of time in the process, when the Kumumgah evolved into Sandpeople and Jawas and how their culture changed over the millennia.

By the way, considering that Old Republic anthropologists knew a bit about the Kumumgah, their culture, their advancements and their conquest by the Rakata, were there possibly some successful archaeological digs on the planet and what might they have found during these excarvations?

 

[O'Dib]

The only bit of Old Republic archeology on Tatooine I can recall from the MMO is the bit where Czerka finds a Rakata weapon for making cyber-zombies, I guess.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

The only bit of Old Republic archeology on Tatooine I can recall from the MMO is the bit where Czerka finds a Rakata weapon for making cyber-zombies, I guess.

There must have been more excarvations with interesting artefacts and traces being found in-universe, because that wouldn't have been enough to come to any conclusions about the existence of the Kumumgah and their advancements.

 

[Ithekro]

Considering we see Jawa on multiple planets, is it possible that they were not native to Tatooine and arrived sometime in the distant past, while the Sand People were always the natives?

 

[O'Dib]

Those specifically go by "offworld Jawas"

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Update: Found this artwork of the Kumumgah city, seen in DotJ, on the internet. Seems to be fanmade. I like it a lot!

https://64.media.tumblr.com/1c1119e.../f058bb8ddc1898a46322cbbc17b8627e1cc65b27.png

 

[David cgc]

Your link got truncated (is it still truncation if it happens in the middle?) but I found the post you were referring to.

 

[Reverend]

There must have been more excarvations with interesting artefacts and traces being found in-universe, because that wouldn't have been enough to come to any conclusions about the existence of the Kumumgah and their advancements.

You have to remember that there's something like a million know inhabited worlds in the Star Wars galaxy (known to the Republic, at least) and of them, Tatooine is just a tiny spec of nothing in the middle of nowhere important. Yes, an thorough arachnological study could yield a lot more information. The galaxy is full of worlds covered in the ruins of extinct cultures and civilizations, some like Tatooine still inhabited by their decedents, some like Yavin 4 devoid of such, and/or since colonised by others.

Don't forget also that the galaxy has seen many devastating interstellar conflicts from the Sith, to the Mandalorians and likely many many others over the epochs. That means mass population displacement, that means dead worlds, that means new civilizations built over the ruins of old ones, only to be themselves struck down and build over again, and again.

The point being that Tatooine only seems special to us, because we're the audience. To the people who live in the universe (those that have even heard of it); it's an insignificant ball of dust, and that includes it's history. It's story is not an unusual one, and there's tens of thousands of others just like it.

So if anyone knows anything about the Kumumgah, it's probably inherited knowledge in the various libraries and archives that date back to when they still existed. Maybe expeditions of xenoarchologists and xenoarthopologists and have been sent over the millennia, and maybe they gleaned some information before the grant money ran out and they had to move onto the next backwater ruin . . . and maybe they chose Dathomir next and got themselves skinned alive before they could transmit their findings.

 

[Turtletrekker]

What's the time frame between Tatooine losing her oceans and the time of the original trilogy?

 

[O'Dib]

25ky+