Could Star Trek V been saved?
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Interestingly, Joaquin is the name of one of the supermen in "Space Seed".
I thought Khan’s son was the little boy on Ceti Alpha whose scenes were all cut because his death on the Reliant would have been too disturbing to the audience?
And there’s zero indication that Nancy Crater was McCoy’s ex wife.
The argument that ‘because they didn’t say he/she wasn’t’ is going to Timo levels of serial contrarianism.
And there’s zero indication that Nancy Crater was McCoy’s ex wife.
The argument that ‘because they didn’t say he/she wasn’t’ is going to Timo levels of serial contrarianism.
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True. However, according to an interview with Judson Scott quoted in Memory Alpha, the actor did play the character as being Khan's son.
And the name was probably a mix up on the part of Meyer, or one of the other contributors to the TWOK script a (despite the disparity in the ages and appearances the characters as depicted in "Space Seed" and TWOK).
I'm sorry if anyone thought I was being contrary. I was merely stating that, in both these cases, even without dialogue to confirm it, I was convinced of these character's relationships until I read, on threads here that they weren't actually in the dialogue.
The situation with Joachim in my case is that I literally just thought the movie had shown us he was Khan's son until another poster pointed out no one actually says that. I still say it makes sense
The situation with Joachim in my case is that I literally just thought the movie had shown us he was Khan's son until another poster pointed out no one actually says that. I still say it makes sense
It's a subject actually worth it's own thread, but I have never been able to figure out if it's:I'm sorry if anyone thought I was being contrary. I was merely stating that, in both these cases, even without dialogue to confirm it, I was convinced of these character's relationships until I read, on threads here that they weren't actually in the dialogue.
The situation with Joachim in my case is that I literally just thought the movie had shown us he was Khan's son until another poster pointed out no one actually says that. I still say it makes sense
1. Supposed to be the same guy that was in "Space Seed," but they got the spelling wrong.
2. Supposed to be the son of the guy from "Space Seed," who somehow decided to name him very similarly, but not exactly, like himself.
3. Khan's son
4. Some other dude.
I would guess that he was meant to be the same guy. The retcon to make everyone (who wasn't Khan) much younger than they should have been kinda shows that they were not that sticklerish when it came to continuity with Space Seed.
In Khan's opening monologue, he references all of his followers and tells Terrell, "These people have sworn to live and die at my command two hundred years before you were born." Now, he might have been using "these people" generally and there might have been a couple of exceptions, but it is clear that most, if not all, of Khan's followers that we see are meant to be the same followers he had in "Space Seed."
There really is no good way to explain the fact that (a) all of the people are much younger than Ricardo Montalban and (b) none of the people except for Ricardo Montalban are the same ones we saw in "Space Seed." It's just one of those things that you have to accept and move on without thinking about, IMHO.
There really is no good way to explain the fact that (a) all of the people are much younger than Ricardo Montalban and (b) none of the people except for Ricardo Montalban are the same ones we saw in "Space Seed." It's just one of those things that you have to accept and move on without thinking about, IMHO.
It's their supermen genes that make them look so young*? 
* - Why not Khan, too?
* - Why not Khan, too?
I like V a LOT more than most. I think if you remove bad comedy and add more to Sybok's takeover of the planet then ship? It's got a real shot at being more popular. But Shatner should have known the studio weren't going to let the "real" God/Devil be depicted after Roddenberry was rebuffed for the same, in a more liberal time.
If the film has a real MVP it's Luckenbill, who is truly magnetic as Sybok.
If the film has a real MVP it's Luckenbill, who is truly magnetic as Sybok.
I agree. He turns in a great performance there.
Definitely. I think you need some relatively minor script tweaks to have the situation turn him towards a more tragic character and discovers he is being used rather than finding what he was looking for *cues U2*
In my mind McCoy had an extramarital affair with Nancy that contributed to the breakup of his marriage. I came up with this idea after working out the timeline for my Star Trek Chronology. It's not implied by the episode at all, but IMO it doesn't contradict it, either.
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