Could Star Trek be Re-rebooted?

[BillJ]

I just don't have the same desire for respect the way I see it thrown around in other opinions. Respect in terms of "don't change things" has not been a lot of my Trek experience. Maybe that's colored my opinion but I'm not a huge fan of never changing and calling that respectful.

Where this didn't work, for me, was in regard to TOS. They spent 50 years telling fans, this is what this time period in the 23rd century looked like. From TMP (with the 1701 pictured) all the way to "In a Mirror, Darkly". Much of the merchandising continues to play to that angle because of the continued popularity of TOS.

I tend to think that a lot of TNG fans wouldn't have been very excited to see the 1701-D if it didn't look like the ship that they grew up with.

 

[The Wormhole]

should I be saying "Star Trek should be respected and good" in the controversial opinions thread instead?

Well, that is a controversial opinion. Star Trek has always had a bad element to it. It's kind of the franchise's appeal, to me at least.

Where this didn't work, for me, was in regard to TOS. They spent 50 years telling fans, this is what this time period in the 23rd century looked like. From TMP (with the 1701 pictured) all the way to "In a Mirror, Darkly". Much of the merchandising continues to play to that angle because of the continued popularity of TOS.

I tend to think that a lot of TNG fans wouldn't have been very excited to see the 1701-D if it didn't look like the ship that they grew up with.

Part of the problem is we're always being told Star Trek's technology is the newest and most advanced of its time, and we're at a point where nobody is going to believe the 1960s aesthetic on TOS is futuristic or advanced, or even cutting edge technology. Really, I think the only reason they got away with faithfully recreating the Enterprise D on Picard was because they were acknowledging in-universe that it was old and outdated technology, even making it a plot point. If we did go back to having a new series set during TNG's TV series era (or earlier) we would be seeing a similar style update to the aesthetics and look in a similar vein to Disco and SNW updating TOS's aesthetics and look.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Where this didn't work, for me, was in regard to TOS. They spent 50 years telling fans, this is what this time period in the 23rd century looked like. From TMP (with the 1701 pictured) all the way to "In a Mirror, Darkly". Much of the merchandising continues to play to that angle because of the continued popularity of TOS.

I tend to think that a lot of TNG fans wouldn't have been very excited to see the 1701-D if it didn't look like the ship that they grew up with.

Someday TNG will get the SNW treatment. And those less than stellar uniforms from Season One will be the first thing to go. Fans will no doubt complain, even those that hate that design.

 

[BillJ]

Someday TNG will get the SNW treatment. And those less than stellar uniforms from Season One will be the first thing to go. Fans will no doubt complain, even those that hate that design.

Because, for good or ill, they are part of the history of the franchise. They are part of the time they were created. Which is why I just treat them all as separate TV productions, none beholden to anything but whatever story they are currently telling.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because, for good or ill, they are part of the history of the franchise. They are part of the time they were created. Which is why I just treat them all as separate TV productions, none beholden to anything but whatever story they are currently telling.

Indeed

 

[MarcKle1964]

When, when you're dealing with historical documents of Star Trek's caliber you must show respect.

Yes, we must.

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[Unicron]

For my part, perhaps maybe we can refresh TOS with the smooth, sexy veneer of the 1940s. Cameo by Picard facepalm.

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[I am not Spock]

i have no doubt they will reboot it (again) some day.

Kurtzman era will not last forever. In fact, it already seems to be winding down. In 2023 we had five current shows. Now we have one. And SNW likely won't last more than a couple more seasons.
And they are banking hard on Academy show ( a risky proposition) being a success.

I'm pretty tired of prequels in Trek, honestly (except SNW). But i bet they will reboot (again) some time in the future , and go back to TOS again

 

[Qonundrum]

How many times were Shakespeare's plays re-told with new cast and the occasional line changed, after their first recitals over 500 years ago? To have a time machine to sit through each version of the play and then ask which version seemed more engaging, never mind also getting to see firsthand how things were centuries ago (which would not be for the faint of heart...)

Ideally, when you're reading a book that has a "Chapter 4" somewhere, you don't expect "Chapter 7" to feel like the same thing with slight variations, but that inevitably seems to happen nowadays. On the plus side, that bonus pamphlet lodged in the book entitled "Holiday Special" at least feels more like an extension than a repeat. On the minus side, chapter 7 was written several decades later and it's not quite the same context. I can see both sides of the issue, which reminds me to get new glasses as well as a big bag of carrots... How's that for a segue within a segue from a segue?

 

[Qonundrum]

For my part, perhaps maybe we can refresh TOS with the smooth, sexy veneer of the 1940s. Cameo by Picard facepalm.

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0:24 unintentionally hysterical

0:26 Remember that bit of special effects from that Wonder Woman episode where the Skrill come to Earth to steal human minds, and that galactic group from another planet that Andros lives on, which was nicked from a 1950s flick? Looks vaguely similar, but if recreating a style of the 1940s or approximate to it, then reference material is inevitable...

 

[somebuddyX]

It'd be interesting if they had one of those book anthologies and had different authors do their own complete reboot of the franchise. I think the closest we got to it in live action was JMS' proposal and that was kind of weird with a hunt for million year old aliens. The most I've ever thought about it is going back to the "Star Trek Is.." document with April, Number One, Ortegas etc and wondering if that had got turned into a series, but that's way different. The only think I know for sure is I'd take the bridge off the top of the ship for starters.

 

[MarcKle1964]

I'm puzzled by how SNW is approaching the Gorn, but I understand that otherwise we have Klingons and Romulans as alien plot drivers, and frankly, after all this time, and all the episodes and movies with them in it, I'm tired of hearing about them. Hemmer was interesting, I would have liked to learn more about Andor in the SNW era.

I get why they're going somewhere new. Strange new worlds, not aliens we've seen a thousand times, right? Maybe we will see a Gorn crewlizard on a Federation ship someday.

 

[knightgrace]

Yes, it can be rebooted. But! The shows creators have to check their egos at the door

For example: something became glaringly obvious to me a few days ago. Antimatter technology. It is very apparent that Antimatter technology does, exist, and that we have seen it used several times without paying attention to it. The Photon mortar, casts a spherical object (81 mm??), to a distance. But then you have to nacelle stern end caps the Shuttlecraft and the magnetic bottle as seen in the episode 'Obsession '(the point being that antimatter technology is very prevalent across the Federation. )
So why is this important? Because of that ego thing. The original creators weren't stupid. And they came up with ideas that aren't documented.

Such that new creators have to watch their step.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Yes, it can be rebooted. But! The shows creators have to check their egos at the door

For example: something became glaringly obvious to me a few days ago. Antimatter technology. It is very apparent that Antimatter technology does, exist, and that we have seen it used several times without paying attention to it. The Photon mortar, casts a spherical object (81 mm??), to a distance. But then you have to nacelle stern end caps the Shuttlecraft and the magnetic bottle as seen in the episode 'Obsession '(the point being that antimatter technology is very prevalent across the Federation. )
So why is this important? Because of that ego thing. The original creators weren't stupid. And they came up with ideas that aren't documented.

Such that new creators have to watch their step.

 

[HotRod]

Yes, it can be rebooted. But! The shows creators have to check their egos at the door

For example: something became glaringly obvious to me a few days ago. Antimatter technology. It is very apparent that Antimatter technology does, exist, and that we have seen it used several times without paying attention to it. The Photon mortar, casts a spherical object (81 mm??), to a distance. But then you have to nacelle stern end caps the Shuttlecraft and the magnetic bottle as seen in the episode 'Obsession '(the point being that antimatter technology is very prevalent across the Federation. )
So why is this important? Because of that ego thing. The original creators weren't stupid. And they came up with ideas that aren't documented.

Such that new creators have to watch their step.

 

[Firebird]

Yes, it can be rebooted. But! The shows creators have to check their egos at the door

For example: something became glaringly obvious to me a few days ago. Antimatter technology. It is very apparent that Antimatter technology does, exist, and that we have seen it used several times without paying attention to it. The Photon mortar, casts a spherical object (81 mm??), to a distance. But then you have to nacelle stern end caps the Shuttlecraft and the magnetic bottle as seen in the episode 'Obsession '(the point being that antimatter technology is very prevalent across the Federation. )
So why is this important? Because of that ego thing. The original creators weren't stupid. And they came up with ideas that aren't documented.

Such that new creators have to watch their step.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yes, it can be rebooted. But! The shows creators have to check their egos at the door

For example: something became glaringly obvious to me a few days ago. Antimatter technology. It is very apparent that Antimatter technology does, exist, and that we have seen it used several times without paying attention to it. The Photon mortar, casts a spherical object (81 mm??), to a distance. But then you have to nacelle stern end caps the Shuttlecraft and the magnetic bottle as seen in the episode 'Obsession '(the point being that antimatter technology is very prevalent across the Federation. )
So why is this important? Because of that ego thing. The original creators weren't stupid. And they came up with ideas that aren't documented.

Such that new creators have to watch their step.

Post that again, but coherently this time.

 

[knightgrace]

To oversimplification: somebody at some time came up with a "language " of antimatter technology. Multiuse containers of various sizes. The smallest one ever seen was photon mortar. The largest at the stern of the Enterprise's nacelles. In between these are others.. the class F Shuttlecraft makes use of two of them at the stern of the class f Shuttlecraft nacelles. One device type, many uses, and many sizes. Power supply, photon mortar, space warp generator.
Which begs the question just how many uses does the Federation have? On the Enterprise warp drives they are called out as being 'space warp generators'
So, at least two uses. More likely three.
Somebody was thinking far ahead. I know that this is shocking.

Why not use them as batteries???

 

[Nerys Myk]

To oversimplification: somebody at some time came up with a "language " of antimatter technology. Multiuse containers of various sizes. The smallest one ever seen was photon mortar. The largest at the stern of the Enterprise's nacelles. In between these are others.. the class F Shuttlecraft makes use of two of them at the stern of the class f Shuttlecraft nacelles. One device type, many uses, and many sizes. Power supply, photon mortar, space warp generator.
Which begs the question just how many uses does the Federation have? On the Enterprise warp drives they are called out as being 'space warp generators'
So, at least two uses. More likely three.
Somebody was thinking far ahead. I know that this is shocking.

Why not use them as batteries???

Yeah, we got all that. What does it have to do with reboots and egos?

 

[Dukhat]

Where this didn't work, for me, was in regard to TOS. They spent 50 years telling fans, this is what this time period in the 23rd century looked like. From TMP (with the 1701 pictured) all the way to "In a Mirror, Darkly". Much of the merchandising continues to play to that angle because of the continued popularity of TOS.

Part of the problem is we're always being told Star Trek's technology is the newest and most advanced of its time, and we're at a point where nobody is going to believe the 1960s aesthetic on TOS is futuristic or advanced, or even cutting edge technology. Really, I think the only reason they got away with faithfully recreating the Enterprise D on Picard was because they were acknowledging in-universe that it was old and outdated technology, even making it a plot point. If we did go back to having a new series set during TNG's TV series era (or earlier) we would be seeing a similar style update to the aesthetics and look in a similar vein to Disco and SNW updating TOS's aesthetics and look.

The thing is though, I doubt most people who watch Star Trek these days are new people who have never seen it before. And anyone who IS new, isn't going to say "I'm not watching this show because the technology is just unbelievable-looking."

Making a new show taking place in the TOS era look retro-futuristic is not the problem, because a general audience won't care about that. They will care about well-written stories and characters they like and relate to. The rest of it is just window dressing, except for the actual fans who mistakenly thought that a prequel advertised as being set ten years before TOS would actually...look like TOS.