Could New Voyages/Continues work in the same timeline?

[Danlav05]

Now we know New Voyages won't be completing the 5 year mission and Continues seems to be carrying on until the episode where the Enterprise docks for refit, I'm wondering with a bit of leeway could both shows exist in the same timeline?

Obviously by the end of the mission the Enterprise will be reverted to its 60s self, plus certain characters would have disappeared i.e. Peter Kirk, Prescott, DeSalle. Also I forget has Continues given out any promotions?

Both shows have distinctive styles despite having the same general idea - Phase II have started to develop characters, change designs and subtly move the story forward, even incoroprating TNG/movie elements, while Continues is staying in line with TOS

And if you want to count actor changes I guess you're fighting a losing battle - New Voyages have now had at least 2 actors for all of the main cast!

 

[Bixby]

Also I forget has Continues given out any promotions?

Chekov was handed his promotion to Lieutenant by Scotty at the end of their 7th episode...

 

[Shawnster]

I accept New Voyages/Phase 2 and Continues as seasons 4 and 5 of TOS (or just season 5 with TAS being season 4).

 

[Phoenix219]

Phase II doesn't really fit any canon, with the Carol Marcus stuff, and the Peter Kirk stuff.

All of the PII stuff would happen after Continues; look at Scotty's size and mustache.

PII will have started the refit before Continues docks for refit.

Absolutely not the same universe, although I am still a big fan of the first 3 episodes.

 

[Captain Atkin]

I like to think that both series take place in "alternate universes".

 

[Phoenix219]

STC and TOS have completed blended in my mind.

The first 3 episodes of each show are pure gold IMO.

 

[F. King Daniel]

I'm not sure anyone involved with either production would want them to exist in the same continuity!

 

[Philip Guyott]

If stardates are any indication... ...here is the order I think they best fit.

CONTINUES: “Fairest of Them All” [E3] - set straight after TOS season 2 episode "Mirror, Mirror".
CONTINUES: “Turnabout Intruder” [V1] - Stardate 5928.5 - is a remake of a scene from TOS season three episode of the same name.

TOS season three ends on Stardate 5943.7 with “All Our Yesterdays”

NEW VOYAGES: “No-Win Scenario” [V2] - According to NV YouTube channel it is set before "Come What May"
NEW VOYAGES: “Come What May” [pilot episode] - Stardate 6010.1
NEW VOYAGES: “Mind-Sifter” [E9] - According to NV YouTube channel it is set between "Come What May" and "In Harms Way".
NEW VOYAGES: “In Harm’s Way” [E1] - Does not affect continuity as it is set within an altered timeline. The prime timeline/universe is restored at the end of the episode.
NEW VOYAGES: “Center Seat” [V1] - According to NV YouTube channel it is set between "In Harms Way" and "To Serve All My Days".
CONTINUES: “You've got the Conn” [V2] - I placed this here as it starts with Sulu in the "Center Seat" talking about his rank privilege, this fits well with the NV vignette above.
CONTINUES: “Happy Birthday, Scotty” [V3] - Could be set anytime between “You've got the Conn” and “Pilgrim of Eternity”.
NEW VOYAGES: “To Serve All My Days” [E2] - Stardate 6031.2 - does not affect continuity as it is set in a parallel universe where Chekov dies!
CONTINUES: “Pilgrim of Eternity” [E1] - Stardate 6147.3
CONTINUES: “Lolani” [E2] - Stardate 6154.1
CONTINUES: “The White Iris” [E4] - Stardate 6182.3
CONTINUES: “Divided We Stand” [E5] - Stardate 6202.1
CONTINUES: “Come Not Between the Dragons” [E6] - Stardate 6257.4
NEW VOYAGES: “World Enough and Time” [E3] - Stardate 6283.4 - Sulu really could have used Dr Mckenna's help in this episode, where was she?
CONTINUES: "Embracing the Winds" [E7] - Stardate 6295.3
PHASE II: “Blood and Fire, Part I” [E4] - Stardate 6429.2
PHASE II: “Blood and Fire, Part II” [E5]
PHASE II: “Enemy: Starfleet” [E6] - Stardate 7232.5
PHASE II: “The Child” [E7] - Stardate 9717.7 - According to NV YouTube channel it is set between “Enemy: Starfleet” and “Kitumba”.
PHASE II: “Kitumba” [E8] - Stardate 2623.3 - According to NV YouTube channel it is set between "The Child" and "Going Boldly".
PHASE II: “Going Boldly” [V3] - The Enterprise is refitted with TMP style warp nacelles. For continuity purposes this partial refit would have had to been done after the end of TAS and set after all the other fan productions. Also features Lieutenant Arex from TAS at the helm.
PHASE II: "The Holiest Thing" [E10] - Stardate 7713.6 - The Enterprise has the same partial refit as in "Going Boldly".

 

[Phoenix219]

I still do NOT understand the temporal mechanics that bring about the beginning of "In Harm's Way."

I love the episode a LOT but the initial incursion needed to be explained a bit better. The only thing that really made sense to me is that the Constellation blowing up the Planet Eater instantly sent it back in time to Pike's era and changed the timeline, which would set the episode immediately after The Doomsday Machine. *EDIT* But that wouldn't explain why Spock was on the Time Planet to be protected from the changes. A couple tiny tweaks and it could have been absolutely classic TOS.

Still hate the thought of introducing Carol Marcus in one of the last possible moments in the show before the 5YM ends. hah. really? it would have been that hard to establish they had a fling before? The idea of there being 2 5 year missions before TMP still doesn't work; it would fix Peter Kirk, or it would fix David Marcus, but not both.

Stardate 2623.3 for Kitumba? Not like stardates ever mean anything, but wow that one is off.

 

[MikeH92467]

Back in the day (my day, but I date myself) I remember Superman comics used to have what they called "Imaginary Stories". I guess they were just good stories that really didn't fit into the established timeline, but they had pages to fill so...that's kind of the way I see the two productions. Good stories and if they entertain the viewers that's not as important as some piddlin' timeline. By the way, the Excelsior audio production did something like that with our standalone story "No One Gets Out Alive". There's no way to make it fit into our overall story arc, but it's a ripping good story by Chris Chan Robinson, so we used it!

 

[Phoenix219]

My head canon has always been Year 1: ending with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" with an entire unseen season of Mitchell/Dehner/Kelso/Piper cast members, with S1 thru S3 encompassing years 2 thru 4 of the mission, leaving just one year of adventures needed to be filled by TAS and STC. I would gladly include NV's 3rd episode in that canon.

 

[Phoenix219]

My head canon has always been Year 1: ending with "Where No Man Has Gone Before" with an entire unseen season of Mitchell/Dehner/Kelso/Piper cast members, with S1 thru S3 encompassing years 2 thru 4 of the mission, leaving just one year of adventures needed to be filled by TAS and STC. I would gladly include NV's 3rd episode in that canon.

Sorry to be replying to myself, but I just had to add, I wish a fan film outfit would be so dedicated to getting us more Mitchell and Company and fill out that first year as they have been to finishing the 5th year.

 

[Nightowl1701]

leaving just one year of adventures needed to be filled by TAS and STC.

Barring a time jump and some creative non-CGI costume work, I get the feeling the way STC is gonna end - if it's allowed to make it to its series finale at all - will preclude TAS ever having happened, let alone NV/P2. Not because they don't like TAS, but to stay true to the idea of 'It's 1970 (in which case TAS isn't even on the radar yet) and we're wrapping up the five-year-mission." Narratively speaking, it so far seems like a straight line from 'Turnabout Intruder' (beginning with that vignette) to the finale.

 

[Phoenix219]

Just like Chekov being off screen in Season 1, I don't see any reason to not assume some of the TAS elements are present and unseen. They may not acknowledge TAS but I doubt it will contradict with STC's finale.

 

[Danlav05]

STC I think are making up to Episode 11 where the Enterprise docks for refit. I think they're filming on the down low! Imahara leaked episode 9 was done in an interview.

They seem to be going extremely faithful to TOS, I doubt there will be huge ship or costume changes like NV did. There may be a time jump. They are pretending it's 1970 (though there have been tiny continuity acknowledgements to ENT and TNG, minuscule though but in the same timeline) so they could tip that to the animated series, but I guess it will be small.

 

[9gs]

STC I think are making up to Episode 11 where the Enterprise docks for refit. I think they're filming on the down low! Imahara leaked episode 9 was done in an interview.

They seem to be going extremely faithful to TOS, I doubt there will be huge ship or costume changes like NV did. There may be a time jump. They are pretending it's 1970 (though there have been tiny continuity acknowledgements to ENT and TNG, minuscule though but in the same timeline) so they could tip that to the animated series, but I guess it will be small.

Sounds pretty accurate and fits with past statements and behavior. I just hope Axanar does not drag on and on so we can hear some more episode news.

 

[langweiler]

Phoenix219, I like your idea of a fan fiction series set in the first year of the five year mission.

It was (an is) my understanding, that WNMHGB ist set at about one year after the start of the mission (I think I read it in the Star Trek Chronology; when i rembemer correctly, there is one year pause between WNMHGB and the first Season and Seasons 1-3 take place in the years 3-5 of the five year mission).

In my head, i would like to see WNMHGB on the sets of the regular series. In my opinion, such a drastically change of the interieurs of a starship does not take place during a five year mission. The uniforms and the props would be ok, but there I would also prefer the style of the regular series.

 

[E-DUB]

I've always though of STC as like Season 4 of TOS and NV as the second series (Phase 2).

 

[Danlav05]

I've always though of STC as like Season 4 of TOS and NV as the second series (Phase 2).

I cdid before I mixed it all together, obviously STC are now providing the end story for the 5ym