Could Equinox have turned Voyager around?
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Exactly. VOY didn’t have to be doom & gloom. They could have come up with a situation where the crew decide to just stay in the DQ, find a planet as a base, and make new lives for themselves rather than the silly trope of ‘gotta get back to Earth!!!’
I'm really not sure if that was supposed to be in jest or simply sarcasm, but just to make my perspective clear:
Wanting to get home does not mean the characters need to be written as depressed, strung out, on the end of their tethers, (to be generous) anti-heroes. Likewise, having the series be about a crew of mostly aspirational examples of what humanity can be doesn't mean they need to mindlessly accept their predicament without striving to change it.
(Also, the humans of nuBSG weren't trying to get back to Earth, they were trying to find it - since regardless of which "Earth" you consider, they weren't themselves from there...
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I'm really not sure if that was supposed to be in jest or simply sarcasm, but just to make my perspective clear:
Wanting to get home does not mean the characters need to be written as depressed, strung out, on the end of their tethers, (to be generous) anti-heroes. Likewise, having the series be about a crew of mostly aspirational examples of what humanity can be doesn't mean they need to mindlessly accept their predicament without striving to change it.
(Also, the humans of nuBSG weren't trying to get back to Earth, they were trying to find it - since regardless of which "Earth" you consider, they weren't themselves from there...
I was not being sarcastic. I was agreeing with you. The inherent flaw with the getting back to to Earth trope is that the audience already knows that whatever plan the characters have for doing this will ultimately fail, because once they get home, the show is over. That’s why the writers of Farscape quickly dropped the idea of Crichton trying to get back to Earth, because that wasn’t what the show was about. It was about John bonding with his alien friends and figuring out how to coexist with them. Ironically, Farscape succeeded in Voyager’s premise more than VOY did.
If I were in charge, and not hindered by UPN, I would have dropped the Starfleet/Maquis thing by the first season, and had the crew accept that they were permanently stuck in the DQ, and try to forge an alliance with the locals in an effort to create the DQ’s version of a primitive Federation, instead of just wandering from planet to planet with no clear mission other than to get back to Earth.
Ah, see that's why it was hard to tell because I never professed having an issue with the idea of them trying to get home... My only issue as far as BSG is concerned is that their characters were so absolutely depressing to watch
I'd have no problem with the crew getting home a season or so early, face whatever personal drama awaits, and then for the remainder of the show be dealing with the Big Bad (whoever that might be) who conveniently piggybacked their method of getting home to invade the AQ. But this digresses from the point of the thread again.
Technically Farscape didn't DROP it...they had Crichton finally get back to Earth in S4 and then realize he couldn't stay there anymore because of all the stuff with the Wormholes and Peacekeepers and Scarrans and the danger to Earth as long as he did stay.
While that is true, FARSCAPE did conclude the story of Crichton trying to get home. Almost half a season BEFORE the series finale. Depending on how one looks at it, it was a 'dropped' storyline.
VOYAGER could have done the same thing. Particularly with how useless some of those last episodes were. ("WORKFORCE" two-parter comes immediately to mind.)
Really, VOY should've resolved the "Go Back to Earth" thing by like Season 3 or 4 and then just have them go back out there voluntarily for something else.
I agree on that, though I lean towards end of s5 personally, simply to have given 7of9 enough time to evolve beyond how she felt during Hope and Fear.
UPN simply didn’t care about Voyager getting home. They were content to just have them in the DQ having the same stories they would have had were they the TNG crew in the AQ. And by the series finale, UPN just wanted to end the show so they could start producing ENT, so they had zero interest in dealing with the aftermath of finally getting back to Earth.
Yes, we all know that. That particular horse already has been flogged to death in this thread, reanimated with Borg probes, and then flogged straight back into the afterlife.
After that we then cloned and flogged it, brought a duplicate in from a mirror universe and flogged that, rescued its Nexus echo and flogged that, transporter duplicated it and merged it with a Talaxian to create an entirely new lifeform before forcibly separating and flogging them both, and at last count I think we were actually flogging a shapeshifting energy vampire who thought it a good idea to masquerade as a horse among all of the equine (+1 Talaxian) corpses stacking up.
I'm pretty sure we don't need to flog any more iterations to death.
After that we then cloned and flogged it, brought a duplicate in from a mirror universe and flogged that, rescued its Nexus echo and flogged that, transporter duplicated it and merged it with a Talaxian to create an entirely new lifeform before forcibly separating and flogging them both, and at last count I think we were actually flogging a shapeshifting energy vampire who thought it a good idea to masquerade as a horse among all of the equine (+1 Talaxian) corpses stacking up.
I'm pretty sure we don't need to flog any more iterations to death.
Yeah, like that's going to happen.
Certainly as long as there are still users who'd rather make themselves feel superior by dismissing OP's premise with unoriginal and unconstructive comments, than adding anything of merit.
Sounds like you have some kind of problem with someone that would better be handled offline.
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Nope, just internet pedants.
Knock it off.
Sure, right after you knock off the needlessly unconstructive and dismissive comments.
Complain to a mod, or let it go. Don't post issues you have with a member on the public forum. Read the rules. And I would ask you to point out any 'needlessly unconstructive and dismissive comments' that were made, because I don't see any.
If I were you I'd be careful what I wish for since it's pretty clear that you followed me trying to cause an issue, after I stopped entertaining your tiresome debate elsewhere... I recommend taking your own advice and letting it go, instead of perpetually trying to get the last word in.
Since you asked, every reply starting with #91.
Oh, and you're now on Ignore. Congratulations! Have the day you deserve.
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