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Could Cochrane of Alpha Centauri mean Alpha Centauri project/institute?

La mort de l'auteur (Death of the Author) does not automatically make audience inference any more authoritative than the, er... author. What some fans interpreted about Cochrane is just that: what they interpreted.

Me, I'm sticking with Coon because it fits with the episode as aired as with the "Lawrence of Arabia" example. :)

4.3 light years to be exact! I do wish you would research things better! :lol: Said in my best Spock voice! :vulcan:
4.365±0.007 if you're going to try to play Spock, and even that is an estimate.
 
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Until or if they ever get there you mean!
JB
Except that since all the stars are moving they'll never be a fixed distance away. In fact, Alpha Centauri will get closer to us for the next 30,000 years, getting close to 3 ly away. Wait for it...
 
Star Fleet Technical Manual introduced the idea that Alpha Centauri was one of the five founders of the Federation. It also gave Alpha Centauri an elaborate emblem which includes Greek letters and the likeness of a centaur. Of course the more likely explanation is that it was an earth colony. However, later sources like the Starflight Chronology and Star Trek Maps and the FASA RPG and Worlds of the Federation ran with the idea that it had been seeded with transplanted Greeks. This was apparently done by the Preservers in the 3rd century B.C. I’m not pushing this idea as an article of canon, but it is one of those neat little “traditions” from the noncanon publications which has really grown on me.
 
It might be a bit unrealistic for audiences of today, or of most eras, to assume that the man who invented FTL travel would also end up actually doing FTL travel. Tsiolkovsky, Korolev, Goddard or von Braun never flew any rockets themselves, say.

But in the pocket universe that is "Metamorphosis", Cochrane "discovered the space warp". Perhaps he was a daredevil space traveler rather than a visionary researcher, and "merely" stumbled upon a phenomenon that allowed him to go FTL and perhaps end up at Alpha Centauri?

Of course, a lot of things that could be read into "Metamorphosis" are utter nonsense in the wider Trek context. A man mere century and a half from Kirk's past is not a plausible candidate for having opened up FTL travel for anybody but us stupid humans, say - he can't really have been behind the Klingon or Romulan ability to do warp speed, possibly centuries or even millennia before humans. But we need not read such things into the episode when nothing is explicit. Cochrane could be a great researcher who was forced by circumstances to do his own stunt flying - exactly as shown in the eventual movie. And he could still end up being the guy who went to Alpha Centauri. Perhaps first, although that's not a requirement: Lawrence wasn't the first to Arabia, or Scott to the South Pole (indeed, he's remembered exactly for not having been the first...).

But neither "Metamorphosis" nor ST:FC is the end-all of the Cochrane story. His life is taken for granted in the episode, and only a short key moment of it is described in the movie. The rest of his story remains to be told, although there need not be much to it, and the snippets we got in ENT were already entertaining enough!

Timo Saloniemi
 
Amazing that people (then and now) have never heard of "Lawrence of Arabia" or "Scott of the Antarctic". :lol:

Why would you imagine that the mission would be a more obvious interpretation than home planet (especially since it wasn’t hard to believe that Alpha Centauri could’ve been reached by relativistic vessels and Zefram Cochrane born to settlers)? It’s not like we say “Neil Armstrong of the Moon” or “Neil Armstrong of the Lunar Landing”: we know who he was without a romantic-sounding title.
 
Why would you imagine that the mission would be a more obvious interpretation than home planet (especially since it wasn’t hard to believe that Alpha Centauri could’ve been reached by relativistic vessels and Zefram Cochrane born to settlers)? It’s not like we say “Neil Armstrong of the Moon” or “Neil Armstrong of the Lunar Landing”: we know who he was without a romantic-sounding title.

Neil Armstrong is contemporary to our society. For all we know, 200 years from now people may indeed call him “Neil Armstrong of the Lunar Landing.”
 
Perhaps Cochrane being "of AC" and not "of warp" is also our cue that Earth did not engage in interstellar colonization before Cochrane's feat? Not in successful colonization, at any rate. If Cochrane merely scored AC first but Bechrane and Achrane had already planted their flags on Barnard's Planet and Sirius A III, it would make sense to honor the warp man with the latter epithet rather than the former...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Neil Armstrong is contemporary to our society. For all we know, 200 years from now people may indeed call him “Neil Armstrong of the Lunar Landing.”

Perhaps, but Nerys Myk was chuckling at the idea that 20th-century tie-in writers couldn’t see that interpretation, despite home-planet references such as “Sarek of Vulcan”. I mean for all they knew back then, Alpha Centauri could’ve easily been reached by the sleeper ships that fell out of use after 2018, so there was no massive block to that conclusion.
 
True enough. It's just that any interpretation of Cochrane as an AC native, as opposed to a first-generation settler from Earth, runs against the timeline one could parse together from the sum total of TOS episodes, and against the dialogue from the episode itself where Cochrane clearly identifies himself with Earthlings. But, as said, both of those things would be obvious only to folks having access to Memory Alpha and Chrissie's transcript site, even if no patience for actually rewatching on Netflix... Much less obvious to people who might possess Trimble's Concordance at best.

Timo Saloniemi
 
As I said, the Spaceflight Chronology puts together an impressive timeline, which does not contradict TOS in any way that I can tell. And it has Cochrane as an AC native.

Honestly, I could go either way with where he was a native, it doesn’t really matter to me. But I do like the Spaceflight Chronology view of the early centuries of space travel much better than the First Contact/Enterprise version. It’s so much cooler to imagine us pioneering space ourselves rather than being taken under the wing of the Vulcans from day one.
 
The prevailing theory (and one that I see no reason to doubt) is that Cochrane was from Earth but moved to Alpha Centauri later. Just like "Garth of Izar" probably was human and moved to Izar to live later in life. If Cochrane was working on Earth but Alpha Centauri was where his house was, then there's nothing abnormal about the moniker 'of Alpha Centauri.' The guy had plenty of time to move there between 2063 and the 2150's.

GARTH: You will address me by my proper title, Kirk.
KIRK: I'm sorry. I should've said Captain Garth.
GARTH: I am Lord Garth, formerly of Izar, and I lead the future masters of the universe.
KIRK: I'm sorry, Lord Garth.
GARTH: You Earth people are a stiff necked lot, aren't you?

That doesn't sound like Garth of Izar was an expatriate Earth human.
 
^ It could have been yet another symptom of Garth's madness. He views himself as above everyone else, and no longer considers himself human.
 
Why would you imagine that the mission would be a more obvious interpretation than home planet (especially since it wasn’t hard to believe that Alpha Centauri could’ve been reached by relativistic vessels and Zefram Cochrane born to settlers)? It’s not like we say “Neil Armstrong of the Moon” or “Neil Armstrong of the Lunar Landing”: we know who he was without a romantic-sounding title.
Because I enjoy history and can make certain connections.
 
As I said, the Spaceflight Chronology puts together an impressive timeline, which does not contradict TOS in any way that I can tell. And it has Cochrane as an AC native.
Then it's contradicting TOS.
COCHRANE: Hello! Are you real? I mean, I'm not imagining you, am I?
KIRK: We're real enough.
COCHRANE: You speak English. Earth people?
MCCOY: He's human, Jim. Everything checks out perfectly.
 
Or he was of the native species of Izar, and looked Human like so many aliens do in Trek.

Yes, that’s possible too. But with a name like Garth, I’m pretty sure he was supposed to be human. Do you also think Hengist was an alien because he said he was from Rigel IV?
 
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