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Yes, about 10-15 times worse

This is the guy. Here's what we should be hearing. Take the 90 minutes or so, & digest this. I want to live in this guy's house
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Looks cool, I'll have to watch it after work on a real computer.
 
it's more infectuous than the flu and contrary to the flu there is no vaccination. In practical terms it means: you can treat only the symptoms but not the cause. That makes the new virus dangerous for old people or people with an immune deficiency.

In immunological terms it's like riding a car with no breaks (vaccination). If you aren't too fast and if you are driving in a flat area you can break by switching to lower gears (treating the symptoms), but if you are heading down a steep hill (being old, feeble or have a weak immune system) you have hardly a chance.
I have only had 1 flu shot since since 1990.
I'm only worried for my dad. He hasn't had a flu shot in several years either.
On the upside. I get to work from home for however long the place decides.
 
I'm just worried about my father who is almost 91. He lives on his own in an apartment building. :( A variety of people, ya know....
And I'm still mad about the fact that competitors at fencing competitions is lacking.
Oh, that and I needed toilet paper, for real, I was almost out, and the shelves are all but bereft. :wah: I had to buy an "off", " no-name brand":wah::wah:
But
I'm okay with schooching across the lawn like my dogs do sometimes.

Keep one of these beauties, even as a back-up.
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From a stock market point of view, this is so true. This is amazingly sad and depressing.
 
Just wash your hands properly:
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And avoid watching the American media. They’re awful for things like this.
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I think my favorite part of this meme is how deliberately lackluster the effort was to just blackout the previous year & lazily drop in the new one in an unrelated font. It's just a "whatever" move lol

Never understood the toilet paper thing. There is so much worse about this than the potential to run out of tp. Besides, when we're all hiding out in our houses for months, does it really even matter? You still have water to shower off, even if you don't have a bidet.
 

Good article. The concluding paragraph especially bears repeating:

The number of people who are currently insisting that preparedness is panic is amazing. None of us want a public-health disaster, but part of being responsible is being ready for the worst-case scenarios and taking action to ensure the worst-case scenarios don’t come to pass.

@Nakita Akita , to put this in perspective against your flu numbers: I read today that current estimates say that about 1/3 of all Americans will contract the virus. (And that seems to be a low-end estimate... Canadian officials are estimating between 30% to 70%.) Assuming the 1/3 figure, here is how that would translate to American deaths at various mortality rates floating around for COVID-19:

Conservative 1% mortality: approximately 1,091,000 deaths
WHO-estimated 3.4% mortality: approximately 3,708,000 deaths
Current Italian 5% mortality*: approximately 5,453,000 deaths

* from @CorporalCaptain 's article

In other current COVID-19 news: Our Prime Minister and his family are now in self-isolation, after his wife started to experience a flu-like illness after returning from a speaking engagement in the UK. She is being tested for COVID-19, and the family is in isolation for at least until the results are in.


Remember back when all of us were so happy that *2019* had finally ended?!? :crazy:
 
I think my favorite part of this meme is how deliberately lackluster the effort was to just blackout the previous year & lazily drop in the new one in an unrelated font. It's just a "whatever" move lol

Never understood the toilet paper thing. There is so much worse about this than the potential to run out of tp. Besides, when we're all hiding out in our houses for months, does it really even matter? You still have water to shower off, even if you don't have a bidet.

They should make a gif where you can roll the date forward like those old analog "digital" alarm clocks.
 
In other current COVID-19 news: Our Prime Minister and his family are now in self-isolation, after his wife started to experience a flu-like illness after returning from a speaking engagement in the UK. She is being tested for COVID-19, and the family is in isolation for at least until the results are in.

Just to follow up on this: Sophie Grégoire Trudeau has now been officially diagnosed with COVID-19. Both she and the prime minister will remain in isolation.

https://globalnews.ca/news/6670203/sophie-gregoire-trudeau-coronavirus-positive/
 
It seems to be more a "general panic" type of thing rather than a coronavirus-specific thing.
Link: Why are people panic buying and why toilet paper?
But even generally. Toilet paper? Human beings survived all but the last 170 years of their entire existence without rolls of TP. It is literally the dumbest thing to charge out & stockpiple. Canned food, dehydrated milk, OJ, MREs, vitamins, etc... now panic buying that stuff? I'd get it. It's just some serious lizard brained mania to aim for rolls of ass wipe
 
well, as bad as this virus may be it has one unexpected advantage: for the first time in years, the front pages of newspapers don't deal with Trump's newest folly.

eta: just fresh out a bit of interesting news. American scientists tested the virus in the lab on different materials concerning the problem how long it stays infectuous:

On steel and plastic it can survive up to 3 days. The number of viruses decreases quickly but the remaining ones stay active.
On cardboard it survives up to 24 hours and on copper approximately 4 hours.
In droplets in the air (if someone sneezes, coughs or talks) it turns inactive after 3 hours.

Source: medRxiv

So, if you have infected colleagues or family members: according to these lab results you can enter a vacated room after 3 hours. Mail / files / books etc. are safe to handle after 1 day. Copper doorknobs etc. are safe after 4 hours [I estimate that the rate for brass would be similar because of its copper content]
Beware of plastic and steel (telephones, keyboards, desks, pens etc) - they stay infectuous for 3 days. These are the things you need to desinfect.

To be on the safe side I'd treat these lab results with some suspicion and rather allow twice the respective timespan since real life always differs from lab life. Also, keep in mind that this virus is very versatile and mutates quickly. It can at any time develop a new and better adapted strain.
 
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One of the problems with panic buying is that it gives you an incentive to buy even if you're not panicked. Running out of toilet paper is just annoying, so if you see other people buying it up...

I work for a New York supermarket. Yesterday was bad. We ran out of toilet paper, chicken, all beef except the high-end steaks, rice, and maybe pasta (still a few boxes on the shelf when I left). Strangely, beer sales looked about normal.
 
In the USA 40 people have died.
22 lived in one nursing home in the state of Washington.
More people have died this year from the flu. ( the regular flu) but that isn't in the news.
There are 350 million people in the USA.
My calculator won't do the required math, but the death rate is way, way, way, below 1%.
In the USA it's the media wagging the dog.
It's sad, very, very sad.
They have shut down so much stuff.
It's like they are trying to crash the economy.
It's like the people hate The President so much, that the media is turning this into a three ring circus.
H1N1 was worse than this one, but they didn't shut down all of the sports leagues.

I'm pretty sure it's all horse pucky.
 
In the USA 40 people have died.
22 lived in one nursing home in the state of Washington.
More people have died this year from the flu. ( the regular flu) but that isn't in the news.
There are 350 million people in the USA.
My calculator won't do the required math, but the death rate is way, way, way, below 1%.
That is not how death rates are calculated.
 
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